And the hatchet jobs begin. CBC: Convoy donors gave more than $460K to CPC leadership race — and many were first-time federal donors

Serryah

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Stuff like these articles are why I am wary of PP.


Oops... guess he's not the "pro life" guy (or pro choice?) he claimed to be.

Typical politician? So how will he be any better?

And now this Convoy thing?

Yeah... he's not helping himself.
 
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Why do you want an abortion so badly? Are you sure it's not an exorcism (sweat and smudge) you need?
 
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Stuff like these articles are why I am wary of PP.


Oops... guess he's not the "pro life" guy (or pro choice?) he claimed to be.

Typical politician? So how will he be any better?

And now this Convoy thing?

Yeah... he's not helping himself.
Wow - a rabble,ca opinion piece which pulls the " sure he says he is and states that's his policy and it's also the policy of the party and there's no evidence otherwise - BUT - how could we know?

Well if you want to try track records- the CPC never brought in any abortion bills when they were in power. For 10 years. Hmmmmmm

The left HAS to lie, and Serrya is just a kind of left wing bigot that prefers lying to truth. To the point where she'd post that kind of misinformation.
 
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If you look at PP's history right back into his teens, one thing stands out above all else, his political ambition. Next to that is his devotion to Freidman style economics which, as the past forty years have shown us is a failure for all but the privileged few.
 

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If you look at PP's history right back into his teens, one thing stands out above all else, his political ambition. Next to that is his devotion to Freidman style economics which, as the past forty years have shown us is a failure for all but the privileged few.
Well both of those statements are somewhat inaccurate, the latter more than the former. He's always been interested in politics, that much is true. But considering his early writing you'd be more accurate saying that he's been dedicated to a type of politics, his papers were never about his own political ambitions. Nor has he actually gone out of his way to vie for higher positions previously.

As to friedman economics, they work very well for everyone when done properly. As we saw with harper - who used a combination of stimulous from the top and the bottom (to prime the pump) to great effect. most people who say 'it doesn't work' don't really understand it and haven't read a word of Milton's. But like most things, application is everything.

But if we were to characterize his economics it wouldn't be in terms of economic theory as much as it would be the need to focus on core competencies and do them well. As he says - doing fewer things very well vs doing everything badly. Which was also harper's model, and it worked. When the feds focus on things they're SUPPOSED to deliver and ignore the fluff they tend to do much better and cost much less. That's good for everyone.
 
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That's good for everyone.
That's the meat of right there, it's not good for everyone. It's good for the few at the top. Freidman style economics gave us four decades of stagnant wages for the middle and lower classes, a manufacturing sector devastated by shipping jobs overseas, and an environment in peril.
 
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That's the meat of right there, it's not good for everyone.
Of course it was. In fact, it was very specifically good for everyone. Businesses both big and small bridged the gap over the recession and went into recovery strong, the unemployment rate was very low compared to other countries and was sustainable, the debt increase was pretty marginal and primary transfers such as health care were unaffected. The social safety net not only remained strong but was reinforced with additional benefits, and inflation stayed on target if not a tad bit lower.

It doesn't get much 'better for everyone' than that.

Compare that to now - our current 'economic model' (if we can call it one) sees those at the top suffering the least while those at the bottom and middle are getting creamed.

Freidman style economics gave us four decades of stagnant wages for the middle and lower classes, a manufacturing sector devastated by shipping jobs overseas, and an environment in peril.

I think you'd have a very difficult time defending that position with any kind of facts or logic. To be honest, i think you'd have a very difficult time demonstrating we've ever had 4 decades of Freidman economics. But if you'd like to make the case by all means go ahead and we'll see what there is to see.
 
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Actually - this is something i commented on at the time and found quite surprising. For all the talk about it being an 'illegal protest' - no judge ever ruled it so. Which is WEIRD - normally that IS how it's done, protest starts, gov't or company goes to court and gets injunction, THEN it's declared illegal and people are given X period of time to stop and go away.

Which never happened.

If it was an illegal protest get a judge to say so and move forward. Why didn't that happen?
That very question has been asked many times.
 
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If you mean Biden's midnight ghost flights of deporting people, maybe you're right, that should be in broad daylight too.

As for Trudeau... he's a fucking dipshit.
Biden's ghost flights were going from the border to other states. The only people that have been deported were Haitians, a few MS13's (if they were caught)and some people on the terrorist watch list. No "night flights" for them, that's for sure.
 
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And the Star continues to lose it's mind....


Eager to end "reproductive rights'? When he's strongly come out pro choice? Who we love??!!? When was THAT ever in his pitch?

They're down to just plain boldface lying to try to stop him
He has already said that abortion rights in Canada will not change. They tried to demonize Harper on the same topic and nothing changed did it? Yep, the lefties are definitely losing their minds.
 

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Stuff like these articles are why I am wary of PP.


Oops... guess he's not the "pro life" guy (or pro choice?) he claimed to be.

Typical politician? So how will he be any better?

And now this Convoy thing?

Yeah... he's not helping himself.
He may be "pro choice" personally but he has stated unequivocally that he would not change the abortion laws in Canada. A true leader will only tackle issues that are important to Canadians. Abortion isn't on the table!
 

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If you mean Biden's midnight ghost flights of deporting people, maybe you're right, that should be in broad daylight too.

As for Trudeau... he's a fucking dipshit.
Midnight ghost flights FROM the southern border to various points in the US you fucking sub-moronic Biden ass-licker.

As for the deportations, when Trump deported illegals the Democrats whined and cried and called them "dreamers". Where's the faux outrage and empathy over the deportations now?
 

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He may be "pro choice" personally but he has stated unequivocally that he would not change the abortion laws in Canada. A true leader will only tackle issues that are important to Canadians. Abortion isn't on the table!
Seems to me Jean Chrétien is a Catholic . Paul Martin Catholic . Justin Trudeau and his father Pierre yes Catholic . Briam Mulroney Catholic . It seems Catholic and abortion means nothing when politics are involved .
 
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Midnight ghost flights FROM the southern border to various points in the US you fucking sub-moronic Biden ass-licker.

Uh oh... you're quota must be low!

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For the record, I don't agree with BIDEN'S whole Border issue either, but you haven't been paying attention to that part, have you Jinny-poo? :)

And why you assume I lick Biden's ass is beyond me; personally he's only been a mediocre President, did the typical 'promises made' but waited for R's to 'work with him' which was dumb, now he's where he deserves in opinions. Were I in the US and the only option was Trump and him, sure I'd pick Biden, but that's if the only option was Biden.

I wouldn't vote for him otherwise for lots of reasons.

As for the deportations, when Trump deported illegals the Democrats whined and cried and called them "dreamers". Where's the faux outrage and empathy over the deportations now?

Haven't been paying attention, have you? That's okay, have your snacky-poo.
 

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Faced with an NDP that seems more focused on identity politics than the fate of working Canadians, Poilievre may be kicking in a rotting door, particularly if he turns down the volume on less mainstream ideas like support for the trucker’s convoy.

Trudeau’s mission is to unite the majority of Canadians behind the idea that the new Conservative leader is a risk to their personal and financial security.

His problem is his own popularity deficit. The Abacus poll shows Trudeau at near record-low approval ratings. Attacks on another politician generally only work when you are more credible than they are. If negative ads move into questionable territory, they can rebound, as happened when former prime minister Paul Martin’s team alleged that Stephen Harper wanted to increase the military’s presence in cities in 2005: “Soldiers with guns. In our cities. In Canada. We did not make this up”.

The Liberals have been in power for nearly seven years. Trudeau’s success has been built on his own variation of populism — appealing to people’s hope and optimism by promising to provide the help and relief they need.

Trudeau’s government is on the ropes and scaremongering about Poilievre will only work if it can address some of the economic and basic competency problems that have been plaguing it of late.
 
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I think you'd have a very difficult time defending that position with any kind of facts or logic.
Not really, it just doesn't get much air time in conservative circles, where environmental and social issues tend to get scoffed at rather than seriously considered.

Middle and lower class wages have been largely stagnant since neoliberal economics gained popularity in the eighties, Reagan in the US, Thatcher in the UK, and Mulroney in Canada, and they have not kept pace with the cost of living which has result in a net decline in quality of life.

Average hourly wages in Canada have barely budged in 40 years l Global News

Distribution of wealth is sorely out of whack, and our middle class is shrinking as manufacturing jobs continue to be outsourced to foreign countries, and wealth becomes concentrated at the very top of the earnings curve.

The Shrinking Middle - the Orca

What is income inequality and why does it matter? - The Conference Board of Canada

Deregulation of environmental standards favouring corporate profits has been progressing for decades, marked by a large scale dismantling of environmental research and regulatory enforcement agencies by the Harper Conservatives. Environmental concerns are cast aside as unwarranted or too expensive while ignoring the fact that continued neglect in this area will cost us much, much more in the long term.

Canada’s Top Climate Change Risks

Neoliberal thinking is traditionally short sighted, placing short term profits ahead of long term consequences. In terms of cost to the individual and the economy in general, the "pay later" approach will be considerably higher than taking prudent steps to dealing with these issues now, and the "pay now" cost is already much higher than it would have been had we paid attention to these matters forty or fifty years ago when the smarter ones among us already saw it coming.
 
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