Re: RE: America at War
EagleSmack said:
I will never sell the noble idea to you folks. That is for sure. However I believe we went in for a noble cause. Not that war is a noble enterprise, I am not saying that. I also think that the war for oil is not the reason. If it is... where is the oil that GWB is supposed to have secured for ourselves? By the war for oil theory, we should be pumping that oil onto US Ships for $0. That has not happened. Even with the terrorist strikes on oil fields there are still plenty of secure fields that we could be filling our reserves and more. It is just not happening. We, you and I, are paying BIG at the pumps because OPEC still sets the price for oil. We have no say on what they do.
Wow. This is exactly the kind of spin/rhetoric /hostility/ and pathology that was so prevelant on the ...get this. "Belief" based politics board I just left. Sure had hoped I had left it behind....and entered a forum of rational discussion./debate.
Ok........ If you (Americans ) have this need to "SELL" an idea for an invasion , then you all are in serious trouble. If you feel you can invade another nation, make up a few lies to do it......you are in serious trouble. If you really "believe" that your intentions are "Noble"......and expect others to buy into the crap......you are in serious trouble.
If you believe that you (USers) don't want to rule/dominate the world even more than you do, in serious trouble .
If you really believe that Americans are world knowledgeable, culture savy, and not insular , while YOUR gov't goes about jerking the world around with ongoing aggressive tactics.....again, in serious trouble.
Yes, maybe you should be more like China. China may not have the gov't YOU APPROVE of (as if your approval matters) , but they are smart, and don't run around interfering in everyone elses business.
by serious trouble......I mean. You (and your ilk) are so full of your self to the point of being delusional. and have lost contact with any semblance of reality.
You see, I could care less what you and your insanity has to say about Canada. And maybe you could care less what we say about your gov't. There is one major difference between the two situations. The US is in everyone's face and that makes it everyone's business. So face the fact, there will be a lot of opinions about the US(G) ....and particularly now. These opinions and feelings are well JUSTIFIED.
Seems it is naive and arrogant to even use the word "noble" in describing the US actions. EVERYTHING the US does is based on self interest and self interest alone. If you think this invasion was for 'Noble" reasons.........you are only deluding yourself .
IF this had been open , transparent and made rational sense, from the onset......there would have been world support, bush would not have had to go around manipulating others to follow him into his FANATICAL CRUSADE, and there would be a general concensus that this was the "Right" thing to do. IF it has been a "noble" or "right" thing to do....... we would be discussing the progress being made, the world would be involved in the reconstruction as a collaberative effort etc. Reconstruction??? think HALLIBURTON.......think Cheney ( whether he has an official position there or not) Face it, the US-corporations (select ones) are making money out of this. The oil factor is a lot more complicated and cannot be translated into the cost now per person directly.
LIES are not "noble" And what you have is a decietful leader. and he cares not about who he lies to. He has no regard for international law.......unless it is in his favor. THis is how he operates. He makes up the rules as he goes along. He is a fanatic.
Now, tell, me , is there any wonder there is so much anger at the US now??? Does this anger not translate into terrorism. Anger is the basis for most terrorist activity. ( combine anger and religion and you have a time bomb. )
