thanks peapod. Didn't know about the sculpture in Nelson.
I knew there were a lot, but didn't know how many.
cheers.
I knew there were a lot, but didn't know how many.
cheers.
America at War
- Thread starter moghrabi
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Well twinks, my spare bedroom is open to anyone that does not want to go to war 
I don't think anyone should have to go fight in a war if they don't believe in what they are fighting for. Just ask float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Its takes alot more courage to say...no way!
I don't think anyone should have to go fight in a war if they don't believe in what they are fighting for. Just ask float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Its takes alot more courage to say...no way!
Well, when the army gets a hold of him he is in so much hot water. I hope he enjoys his vacation in Canada because they are going to be the last smiling faces he sees for a very long time.
No group will be able to help. The more he attracts attention to himself, the more heat is going to come down on him when your brave Mounties turn him over to the US Army at the border. I am glad I am not in his shoes.
No group will be able to help. The more he attracts attention to himself, the more heat is going to come down on him when your brave Mounties turn him over to the US Army at the border. I am glad I am not in his shoes.
peapod said:Well twinks, my spare bedroom is open to anyone that does not want to go to war
He didn't join the army peapod to catch butterflies.
Hey Peapod... he has a website. Maybe you can invite him and his wife and kid to live with you when he gets out of jail? Show him and his family that generosity.
I don't think he was scared, ITN...he began his application for contientous objector status in August 2002, and after the Army lost his application, he applied again in October of 2002. One month later, he was deployed to Afghanistan, where he served honourably, but in non-combative duties. His application was denied after a 25 minute hearing because he stated that should he be assigned to a combat duties, and were he to be attacked, he may not be able to turn the other cheek, which would go against his religious principles...unfortunately, this did not meet the US Army's criteria for contientious objection...and so he finished the rest of his tour in a combat unit in Afghanistan.
He made his vow to not take life before the Iraq war even began...
So for him there were three choices:
1. Honour his obligation to the US Army and go to Iraq, where he may have been called upon to violate his religious principles.
2. Use his body to shield his comrades in arms from an insurgent's RPG, knowing that his family would have been provided for.
3. Break oath, and take his family to Canada and seek refugee status.
Who's to say what was the easiest to make...
He made his vow to not take life before the Iraq war even began...
So for him there were three choices:
1. Honour his obligation to the US Army and go to Iraq, where he may have been called upon to violate his religious principles.
2. Use his body to shield his comrades in arms from an insurgent's RPG, knowing that his family would have been provided for.
3. Break oath, and take his family to Canada and seek refugee status.
Who's to say what was the easiest to make...
Vanni Fucci said:
No one can say whats in his mind. But the fact remains, he could of requested this prior to joining the army, they give you the option, he didn't take it. To me that raises suspicion and I believe rightfully so the US army.
I think not said:
He joined the army in January of 2001 so as to get a college education and be able to support his family. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the US was not involved in too many conflicts at that time...not much killing happening in a peacetime army...
He became a Quaker in January of 2002, 10 months before he was deployed to Afghanistan.
Perhaps if he had known of your schooling program, ITN, this whole tragedy could have been avoided...
Vanni Fucci said:
Well, its not a simple issue anyway you look at it. There is always a chance you will be deployed somewhere, you can't assume anything during peacetime.
And yes, part of the reason The Sitrix Fund was created is to provide students a choice. Results are in for this year btw.
29 students from Canada and 19 from the US. Total scholarship amount distributed, $314,000 USD.
YAY! Sitrix.
I think not said:
Agreed...
I think not said:And yes, part of the reason The Sitrix Fund was created is to provide students a choice. Results are in for this year btw.
29 students from Canada and 19 from the US. Total scholarship amount distributed, $314,000 USD.
YAY! Sitrix.
That's great ITN
...you're doing a great service to your country and mine... :wink:
Oh, and I can't find anything stating when Hinzman will be returned to the US. I believe he has an opportunity to appeal the ruling first though...
I have to say that he saw his own mortality, call it being scared... call it what you will.
Regardless of the reason why he joined the army is irrelavent. When you join any Army there is a chance that you will see combat... at any given time. You cannot just say...
"Hey... I joined for the free education... not for this!"
... and expect much sympathy. He joined before 9/11 and I am sure in January 2002 he had a pretty good idea he was going. When a unit deploys there is a period of work up and training that starts about a year before deployment. Outside of an emergency, such as with the US going into Afghanistan, units will train for where they are going. Very rarely does a unit wake up in the morning with a Sgt. yelling
"Pack your trash boys... we're going to Iraq... Trucks leave in 30 minutes!"
He knew... he deserted. He is going to get it BIG TIME once the Army gets him back. The longer he fights this, the worse it will be for him. Believe me, the military takes note of this. Especially since this Hinzman character is Grandstanding. The longer he makes the army wait, the longer he will languish in the brig away from his family. He is in an indefensible position.
Regardless of the reason why he joined the army is irrelavent. When you join any Army there is a chance that you will see combat... at any given time. You cannot just say...
"Hey... I joined for the free education... not for this!"
... and expect much sympathy. He joined before 9/11 and I am sure in January 2002 he had a pretty good idea he was going. When a unit deploys there is a period of work up and training that starts about a year before deployment. Outside of an emergency, such as with the US going into Afghanistan, units will train for where they are going. Very rarely does a unit wake up in the morning with a Sgt. yelling
"Pack your trash boys... we're going to Iraq... Trucks leave in 30 minutes!"
He knew... he deserted. He is going to get it BIG TIME once the Army gets him back. The longer he fights this, the worse it will be for him. Believe me, the military takes note of this. Especially since this Hinzman character is Grandstanding. The longer he makes the army wait, the longer he will languish in the brig away from his family. He is in an indefensible position.
whoa... triple post. How do I delete two of them?
Moderators... please accept my humble apologies and assist me in deleting the two extra posts. The connection was dogging it and I did not think the first pass made it into the forum.
Edit: Done!
Moderators... please accept my humble apologies and assist me in deleting the two extra posts. The connection was dogging it and I did not think the first pass made it into the forum.
Edit: Done!
You are doing a fine job proving it yourself.
Threatening me with violence are you? That is pretty brave knowing the chances of you getting thumped are almost nil. It is easy to play tough guy from the safety of your home and behind a key board.
Threatening me with violence are you? That is pretty brave knowing the chances of you getting thumped are almost nil. It is easy to play tough guy from the safety of your home and behind a key board.
Are you sure? I think you are getting into a personal attack. It is a sign of defeat. I never threatend anyone nor I have to. I am entitled to my opinions on this forum as much as you are without calling me a pro-terrorist. It is a big claim to make.
Re: RE: America at War
Eaglesmack:
Moghrabi is a respected member and long time poster at this forum. If I see one more inciteful remark or personal attack directed at him, you will be instantly banned.
No more f**kin' around...
EagleSmack said:
Eaglesmack:
Moghrabi is a respected member and long time poster at this forum. If I see one more inciteful remark or personal attack directed at him, you will be instantly banned.
No more f**kin' around...