Always remembering what a Harper majority means

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gerryh

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I see bear has become jam's hand puppet. Or did the old guy suddenly forget how to use the puter and needs bear to answer for him.
 

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I wouldn't mind seeing the old fart answer the questions that avro asked.

If the employer was so great before the union came along how did they get certified? If the union was so bad after they got in why didnt they get decertified. Both very viable questions. The only reason for not answering would be because the answers will make JLM look like an idiot........again.

You're the f'n idiot..................on many fronts. :roll:

Then why was the union certufied if things were okay?

Why was it not decertified if things were not okay?

A Walmart in Quebec was just decertified by people that aren't even professionals.....and you guys guys couldn't do it?

You can call me dumb all you want old fella but it still dosen't explain why you and all the other disatisfied employees didn't take action against this oppressive, unproductive union.

Unless you're just plain lazy their is no excuse.

You're really not an overly bright fellow are? For one thing when the Union got certified we didn't realize how much some members were going to be hurt. By that time I had already banked 125 sick for which I got paid out for about 62 at retirement, had the union have not come in if I was to remain healthy I could have banked a maximum of 250 sick days. Some people in the outfit didn't bank many sick days- they used them for hangover Monday and hangover Friday. Now those guys the Union helped- when they got really sick they had the advantage of going on extended sick leave.......which under certain conditions they could run out for about six months or more. So even if I did want to decertify there would probably be some opposition from some of the "dead wood" and even guys like myself don't really like to create waves until it comes to murder and mayhem. Does make it a little clearer Einstein? You're adamant about that faggy avatar aren't you? :lol:
 

gerryh

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Sounds like you and your buddies were the not so bright ones. But I know, it wasn't your fault, it never is.
 

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Do you ever have a gnawing pain in the ass? Just bad enough to be a slight annoyance, but not bad enough to bother with the doctor. Well that describes you and the Union.

Yep, lazy...that's what I thought.

The majority liked the union which is why it was never decertified and that's the truth.

If you don't like the union either quite, decertify it or attend meetings and vote.

Generally what happens is the people within the union support it but as they get closer to that pension and get more comfortable they will turn against them....seen it a million times.

GM is a real good example of that.
 

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You're the f'n idiot..................on many fronts. :roll:



You're really not an overly bright fellow are? For one thing when the Union got certified we didn't realize how much some members were going to be hurt. By that time I had already banked 125 sick for which I got paid out for about 62 at retirement, had the union have not come in if I was to remain healthy I could have banked a maximum of 250 sick days. Some people in the outfit didn't bank many sick days- they used them for hangover Monday and hangover Friday. Now those guys the Union helped- when they got really sick they had the advantage of going on extended sick leave.......which under certain conditions they could run out for about six months or more. So even if I did want to decertify there would probably be some opposition from some of the "dead wood" and even guys like myself don't really like to create waves until it comes to murder and mayhem. Does make it a little clearer Einstein? You're adamant about that faggy avatar aren't you? :lol:

I'm not bright?

First of all if the majority want to decertify the union nothing can stop it so don't give me this dead wood garbage.

Second the deadwood you speak are probally the ones that attend the meetings and vote....get off you butt and do the same.

Thirdly those banked days are a pipe dream now....in any sector, public or private....oddly it's the public unionized ones still clinging to them.

You're adamant about that saggy avatar aren't you?

If the employer was so great before the union came along how did they get certified? If the union was so bad after they got in why didnt they get decertified. Both very viable questions. The only reason for not answering would be because the answers will make JLM look like an idiot........again.

That's what I'd like to know.

Unions just don't spring up in shops that are happy.

I think he's full fo crap.
 

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I don't see what is so difficult to understand - you should never vote to re-elect a government. You really don't want to reward a bunch of people who treat you like idiots. At the very least, give a new crop a chance to prove themselves different.
I would agree except for the fact that the only other bunch of idiots with even an outside chance of being elected are already a known quantity. In fact, under Chretien new heights of disdain for Canadians were reached when he blatantly lied about the GST.

Every time a new government is elected - by new I mean a different party coming to power - the very important work of the House is put on hold while the new guys clean house and get their affairs in order. It also means that many worthy bills die on the floor of the House never to be seen again, simply because they weren't the idea of the new governing party.
 

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This is not a two way race. People need to stop this BS of only the Liberals can oust the Cons or vise versa. Some of the best governing has been done with a minority government working with the NDP. I think that the Cons and especially Harper are dangerous to our future and I don't have any faith in the Liberals either. But if the NDP had more seats, we would be guaranteed that neither the Libs or Cons got a majority and we would at least force whoever becomes PM will have to learn to cooperate with others to get the job done without all this stupid back biting and derision that has plagued us since the Cons too over. I don't care if is a Lib or a Con minority, just as long as they don't get enough seats to think they can go it alone and be contemptuous of parliament.
 

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Sounds like you and your buddies were the not so bright ones. But I know, it wasn't your fault, it never is.

Fault???????????????? What sin have I committed now? Are you some sort of forum boss who lays out what the CORRECT opinions are? Like me, you are just "one small pebble on the beach", you have every right to express your opinion BUT you don't have the right to curse at people who have differing opinions. Every opinion that is sincere is valid. I gather you are pro Union, I'm not particularly although I am open minded enough to realize they have done some good for some people and in rare cases they are needed where the management is miserly and greedy. So you and Avro like Unions I don't - what's the big deal? Is it so important it warrants denigrating another human being?
 

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Two Vaughan Conservatives have quit their riding association over a $10 million federal grant given to a health care project spearheaded by MP Julian Fantino’s former fundraisers.

“I’m a Canadian and a taxpayer first,” said Richard Lorello, who ran as a Conservative candidate in the riding in 2008. “It didn’t look right to me. If it was the Liberal party doing this, (the) Conservatives would be jumping up and down.”

Tracey Kent, a five-year member of the association, also resigned.

The federal government announced in March it would give $10 million to the Vaughan Health Campus of Care, a private non-profit group founded in 2007 with the intention of bringing a hospital to the city. Despite its population of 300,000, Vaughan doesn’t have a hospital.

Michael DeGasperis, the hospital group’s chair, and Sam Ciccolini, the director, ran Fantino’s successful byelection fundraising campaign in November 2010.

“It seems to me like we’re rewarding people for helping Mr. Fantino on his campaign,” Lorello said. “It doesn’t look right. It’s inappropriate.”

The grant money itself won’t go toward constructing a hospital, which is a provincial task. Instead, it’s earmarked to help develop a site for health-related facilities to complement a hospital planned for a 35-hectare lot.

Lorello is uncomfortable with $10 million in public funds going to a private company he claims has yet to publicly release a business plan.

He believes Ottawa would have been better off giving the money directly to York Central Hospital, which is in charge of bringing the hospital to Vaughan.

“I had actually requested to meet with Mr. Fantino and I was told to put my concerns in writing,” Lorello said. “I kind of took exception to that because all I was going to do was provide some advice.”

Fantino’s campaign manager said the Vaughan Health Campus has been well-received by the community and will benefit “families, seniors and the region’s economy.”

“The (investment) made to (the Vaughan Health Campus) is to create a life science industry at the campus and for infrastructure,” said Stephen Lecce. “Mr. Fantino is proud the federal government delivered for this critical community-based project for families in Vaughan that is being widely supported by volunteers and donors.”

York Central Hospital welcomed the new funding, saying the complementary health care services would benefit the people of Vaughan.

Tony Genco, then a Liberal candidate who’d just lost to Fantino in the byelection, also praised the initiative. Two weeks later, Genco defected and threw his weight behind his former rival.

When asked about Lorello’s concerns, Mario Ferri, Liberal candidate for Vaughan, said he supports “additional funding for health care in Vaughan.

“I also expect, as do my fellow residents of Vaughan, that funding is provided based on the merits of a project and the results it will bring in health care, not on who is involved,” Ferri said.

Tracey Kent said she quit the riding association because she lost faith in Fantino, who once headed the Toronto police and the OPP, and could no longer support the direction of the party. Her existing concerns were magnified when the federal grant money went to the Vaughan Health Campus, she said.

“We have a bad reputation in Vaughan,” Kent said. “I was hoping (Fantino) was going to be that white knight to fix it. But when I saw some of the activity going on, I knew it was the same old politics again.”

The citizens of Vaughan deserve “absolute transparency” from the Vaughan Health Campus, she said.

Vaughan Health Campus officials did not respond to requests for interviews Wednesday evening.

Lorello formally resigned from the riding association on April 4 but said he still considers himself a Conservative.

“It’s disappointing,” he said. “But I have to be truthful with myself.”
 

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Allison Cross
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Two Vaughan Conservatives have quit their riding association over a $10 million federal grant given to a health care project spearheaded by MP Julian Fantino’s former fundraisers.

“I’m a Canadian and a taxpayer first,” said Richard Lorello, who ran as a Conservative candidate in the riding in 2008. “It didn’t look right to me. If it was the Liberal party doing this, (the) Conservatives would be jumping up and down.”

Tracey Kent, a five-year member of the association, also resigned.

The federal government announced in March it would give $10 million to the Vaughan Health Campus of Care, a private non-profit group founded in 2007 with the intention of bringing a hospital to the city. Despite its population of 300,000, Vaughan doesn’t have a hospital.

Michael DeGasperis, the hospital group’s chair, and Sam Ciccolini, the director, ran Fantino’s successful byelection fundraising campaign in November 2010.

“It seems to me like we’re rewarding people for helping Mr. Fantino on his campaign,” Lorello said. “It doesn’t look right. It’s inappropriate.”

The grant money itself won’t go toward constructing a hospital, which is a provincial task. Instead, it’s earmarked to help develop a site for health-related facilities to complement a hospital planned for a 35-hectare lot.

Lorello is uncomfortable with $10 million in public funds going to a private company he claims has yet to publicly release a business plan.

He believes Ottawa would have been better off giving the money directly to York Central Hospital, which is in charge of bringing the hospital to Vaughan.

“I had actually requested to meet with Mr. Fantino and I was told to put my concerns in writing,” Lorello said. “I kind of took exception to that because all I was going to do was provide some advice.”

Fantino’s campaign manager said the Vaughan Health Campus has been well-received by the community and will benefit “families, seniors and the region’s economy.”

“The (investment) made to (the Vaughan Health Campus) is to create a life science industry at the campus and for infrastructure,” said Stephen Lecce. “Mr. Fantino is proud the federal government delivered for this critical community-based project for families in Vaughan that is being widely supported by volunteers and donors.”

York Central Hospital welcomed the new funding, saying the complementary health care services would benefit the people of Vaughan.

Tony Genco, then a Liberal candidate who’d just lost to Fantino in the byelection, also praised the initiative. Two weeks later, Genco defected and threw his weight behind his former rival.

When asked about Lorello’s concerns, Mario Ferri, Liberal candidate for Vaughan, said he supports “additional funding for health care in Vaughan.

“I also expect, as do my fellow residents of Vaughan, that funding is provided based on the merits of a project and the results it will bring in health care, not on who is involved,” Ferri said.

Tracey Kent said she quit the riding association because she lost faith in Fantino, who once headed the Toronto police and the OPP, and could no longer support the direction of the party. Her existing concerns were magnified when the federal grant money went to the Vaughan Health Campus, she said.

“We have a bad reputation in Vaughan,” Kent said. “I was hoping (Fantino) was going to be that white knight to fix it. But when I saw some of the activity going on, I knew it was the same old politics again.”

The citizens of Vaughan deserve “absolute transparency” from the Vaughan Health Campus, she said.

Vaughan Health Campus officials did not respond to requests for interviews Wednesday evening.

Lorello formally resigned from the riding association on April 4 but said he still considers himself a Conservative.

“It’s disappointing,” he said. “But I have to be truthful with myself.”

I wouldn't vote Julian Fantino in for Dog Catcher.

The man is scum.

Read Christie Blatchford's book "Helpless".

I would probably vote Liberal if I lived in Vaughn
 

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Imagine if they didn't have to answer to anyone and could pass legislation without consent of the other members of the House. Bad mojo people.

They would still have to answer to the Canadian people come the next election. That is how a democracy works. If the Conservatives tried to do half of what the fear mongers suggest they would do, they would not get re-elected for 30 years. I wish people would would come up with constructive ideas instead of simply flinging dirt on those they don't support.

Btw, who do you think buys this "contempt of Parliament" silliness? It means as much as Clinton's impeachment. Both were nothing more than political opponents trying to score political points with cheap theatrics. It would be nice if everybody elevated themselves above this.
 
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Avro

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I wouldn't vote Julian Fantino in for Dog Catcher.

The man is scum.

Read Christie Blatchford's book "Helpless".

I would probably vote Liberal if I lived in Vaughn

Agreed, the man as my 80 year old Mom says, is "evil."

Now you now why I won't vote conservative, I hate my local candidate.;-)
 

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They would still have to answer to the Canadian people come the next election. That is how a democracy works. If the Conservatives tried to do half of what the fear mongers suggest they would do, they would not get re-elected for 30 years. I wish people would would come up with constructive ideas instead of simply flinging dirt on those they don't support.

Btw, who do you think buys this "contempt of Parliament" silliness? It means as much as Clinton's impeachment. Both were nothing more than political opponents trying to score political points with cheap theatrics. It would be nice if everybody elevated themselves above this.

I wonder how silly it would be if the Liberals were the one's guilty of Contempt Of Parliament and the Conservatives were the official opposition. I bet it would be a big deal then.

Take the Sponsorship scandal for example. 2 million dollars is pilfered, 1 million is returned, 14 million is spent on the commission and after the Liberals were voted out of office, and the results were in, dumped like cold product by the Conservatives who vowed to clean up Ottawa, entrench transparency and accountability to Parliament.

I guess spending $50 million ear marked for speeding up the border on Clement's riding in Muskoka for the super elite of the world to spend a couple days at is accountability enough for some voters. Please come to Toronto, I have a lake I want to sell you.
 

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I used to live in Vaughan (Woodbridge). It's been an Italian stronghold for a long time now.

Favours for favours.
 
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Cannuck

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I wonder how silly it would be if the Liberals were the one's guilty of Contempt Of Parliament and the Conservatives were the official opposition. I bet it would be a big deal then.

I'm sure it would be a big deal to Conservative supporters. But it probably wouldn't get much traction with the average voter either. People understand that it's just politics much like the Clinton impeachment.

Take the Sponsorship scandal for example. 2 million dollars is pilfered, 1 million is returned, 14 million is spent on the commission and after the Liberals were voted out of office, and the results were in, dumped like cold product by the Conservatives who vowed to clean up Ottawa, entrench transparency and accountability to Parliament.

I guess spending $50 million ear marked for speeding up the border on Clement's riding in Muskoka for the super elite of the world to spend a couple days at is accountability enough for some voters. Please come to Toronto, I have a lake I want to sell you.

I don't believe the sponsorship scandal had anything to do with the Liberals being "dumped". Non-partisans (people in the middle) were desiring a change. People get tired of the same people in power. That, coupled with the poor performances of Martin in front of cameras, had more to do with it.
 

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The biggest reason we are having so many problems is we cannot unit as a country and put a stop to it. We all just go along with our lives like cattle. We bitch and complain but that is as far as anyone will go. I guarantee all of you if we all got together, I mean millions of us Canadians and protested or did a country wide strike. The government would have no choice but do what we want and need. But until that happens. Everyone say it with me. MOO MOO MOO MOO! If you are tired of being cattle lets rise up together and do something about it.
 

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I'm sure it would be a big deal to Conservative supporters. But it probably wouldn't get much traction with the average voter either. People understand that it's just politics much like the Clinton impeachment.

Nope. That's hypocritical. The average voter is whittling down to political junkies and those told how to vote.
Half the people who can vote don't even bother. Because it's just politics all the time. So if it's politics all the time then that's the way it's going to be and when you play that game, the rules don't change when you take over.

Harper wants it to be do as I say not as I do. Guys like you tell him that's alright.

I don't believe the sponsorship scandal had anything to do with the Liberals being "dumped". Non-partisans (people in the middle) were desiring a change. People get tired of the same people in power. That, coupled with the poor performances of Martin in front of cameras, had more to do with it.

It had everything to do with the change in government. everyone was lead to believe that it was only the tip of the iceberg and that once the Liberals couldn't cover things up any more, the lid would be pulled all the way off and we would see just what kind of pilfering had been going on. Once Harper got his government, he didn't give a crap one way or the other about the Sponsorship scandal. He didn't clean up the Senate, he didn't provide more transparency in government he made it less so.

Now with a wave of his hand he brushes aside all kinds of transgressions like G8 Gate, Contempt of Parliament, the wrong kind of people showing up at his rallies being kicked out, some by the RCMP.

None of that is right and while some people here are perfectly willing to accept that, like a G20 kettleing, someone has to stand up and say it's wrong. That isn't playing politics. That's fighting for your rights and freedoms and keeping government accountable.
 

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I don't believe the sponsorship scandal had anything to do with the Liberals being "dumped". Non-partisans (people in the middle) were desiring a change. People get tired of the same people in power. That, coupled with the poor performances of Martin in front of cameras, had more to do with it.

I think that you misunderestimate (I love that word) the voters. From what I know (based on friends and family), the average voter took the sponsorship scandal as the straw that broke the camel's back, the final thing that made them completely disgusted with the Liberal Party. Similar to Mulroney's last term, but with less drastic results. People were fed up.

The fact that this was part of the Martin/Chretien internal battle, which of course was simply the Martin/Trudeau battle continued, was only something that political wonks were interested in.