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Alberta judge upholds review of proposed separatist referendum question
"It is not plain and obvious that the constitutional referendum proposal is constitutional"

Author of the article:Matthew Black
Published Aug 14, 2025 • Last updated 12 hours ago • 4 minute read

Mitch Sylvestre, CEO of Alberta Prosperity Project displays an image taken during the Holocaust while drawing comparisons between the current economic situation in Alberta and Nazi Germany. Sylvestre spoke at an event hosted by the Alberta Prosperity Project on Tuesday, March 18, 2025, in Strathcona County.
Mitch Sylvestre, CEO of Alberta Prosperity Project displays an image taken during the Holocaust while drawing comparisons between the current economic situation in Alberta and Nazi Germany. Sylvestre spoke at an event hosted by the Alberta Prosperity Project on Tuesday, March 18, 2025, in Strathcona County.
A court will determine the constitutionality of the separatist Alberta Prosperity Project’s (APP) proposed referendum question despite the group’s effort to have that review struck, a judge ruled Thursday.


The APP and its leader Mitch Sylvestre is seeking to ask in a referendum, “Do you agree that the province of Alberta shall become a sovereign country and cease to be a province in Canada?”


Last month, Alberta chief electoral officer Gordon McClure referred the group’s proposed question to the courts for their opinion on if it violates the Constitution.

Last week, APP lawyers argued that referral should be struck, saying it was premature, an abuse of process, and an affront to democracy

On Thursday, Court of King’s Bench Justice Colin Feasby told a Downtown Edmonton courtroom that he was rejecting those arguments, stating the referral “is none of those things.”

“The process under the Citizen Initiative Act fosters the conditions for the clear expression of the will of the population of the province by dispeling the cloud of unconstitutionality that might otherwise hang over a referendum unknown,” he said.


“The referral to the court may result in delay, but it reinforces the legitimacy of the referendum process by ensuring that unconstitutional questions are not put to a vote.”

He added a full hearing was required to determine the constitutionality of the APP’s question, which he described as being not plain and obvious.

“The citizens of Alberta deserve to have these arguments made properly and heard in full; democracy demands nothing less,” he said, noting a potential separation referendum was “serious business.”

“There are legitimate arguments to be made on both sides of the issue before the court.”

Feasby said he would attempt to expedite future hearings on the constitutionality of APP’s proposed question, with preliminary legal filings for individuals or groups seeking to act as interveners to be due next month.


“Interveners will be chosen that represent a broad spectrum of perspectives on the issues before the court,” Feasby’s ruling reads, noting the court was not inviting “every adult citizen in Alberta to intervene.”

Alberta Justice Minister Mickey Amery’s office has previously indicated it plans to make submissions to the court, as have other groups, including the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation.

“We are Canadians, and we’ve been Canadians ever since our ancestors signed treaty in 1899,” Athabasca Chipewyan Chief Allan Adam told reporters after the ruling.

“We honour that commitment that was signed back in 1899 and this prosperity project that’s coming forward to separate Alberta to become an independent state, is step one to becoming the 51st state of America.”


‘Confederation is doing little for Alberta’
Sylvestre’s lawyer, Jeffrey Rath, said after the hearing that the ruling came as no surprise and that the APP would continue fighting.

“We’re happy to be engaged in the process, and we see this as a real opportunity to continue to talk about the benefits of independence to our fellow Albertans,” he said.

“Confederation is doing little for Alberta, and we’re looking forward to getting this process forward and having Albertans finally have their say on whether or not Alberta should remain part of Canada.”

Premier Danielle Smith and Amery both also publicly opposed McClure’s referral.

Government of Alberta lawyers were in court but took no position on Rath’s application to strike the referral.


Lawyers for Elections Alberta also did not make arguments on the issue of question’s constitutionality.

A spokesperson for Amery’s office said the provincial government supported a sovereign Alberta within a united Canada and reiterated its prior belief the APP’s petition should go ahead.

“Alberta’s government believes that the proposal is not unconstitutional and therefore should be approved and permitted to proceed,” it reads.

“It is settled law that any province is entitled to consult its population by referendum on any issue.”

Opposition justice critic Irfan Sabir accused the provincial government of fuelling separatist sentiment.

“This UCP government has encouraged a separatist referendum that would devastate our province’s economy, hurt investment and make life more expensive,” he said, adding Smith and Amery had “inappropriately interfered” in McClure’s work.


“The premier and this UCP government need to stop pandering to these extremist groups, especially those led by her own party members, who want to destroy our country, and let the Chief Electoral Officer and courts do their job without any political interference.”

Rival petition continues
On July 30, McClure approved a rival petition fronted by former Progressive Conservative deputy premier Thomas Lukaszuk, who is gathering signatures to support his own potential referendum question that asks, “Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?”

Lukaszuk’s petition must meet the much higher bar as set by legislation that was later superseded by current rules that set out reduced thresholds.

“Today was a win, not only for democracy, but for Elections Alberta and its independence and for our First Nations, without a doubt,” he said outside of court after the ruling.


His campaign, which also intends to seek intervenor status, must secure 293,976 signatures within 90 days (Oct. 28), whereas the Sylvestre petition follows the new rules, which would require approximately 177,000 signatures within 120 days.

Provincial legislation requires any referendum question to not violate the Constitution and also bars multiple questions on the same subject.

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Maybe a bit of warning to the West.

Or maybe this is just what the West wants and should just bend over for it, eh?


"Just as it seemed the 51st state talk from south of the border had cooled off, Courtenay-Comox MLA Brennan Day says he received a letter from a Maine State Senator suggesting Western provinces join the U.S.


“Honestly, I couldn’t believe it’s legitimate, but we reached out to his office. It is a legitimate memo,” said MLA Day in an interview with 1130 NewsRadio.

“I’m not entirely sure why it was sent or who it was sent to, but I assume other elected officials across the country got it as well.”


Day says that the letter, penned by Republican Senator Joseph E. Martin from Maine, is concerning as it oversteps his position as a state-level senator.


“He is a state-level senator, so he has way overstepped his boundaries here, speaking for the country. And I certainly know most Americans I know don’t share his feelings,” explained Day.


Day said that the letter “reads like a recruitment brochure for a political ideology, not a sincere offer to neighbours.”"


The "letter" in question

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And Day's reply.




If you are Canadian and this arrogance and bullshit doesn't piss you off then I'd question your status as a Canadian.
 
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Alberta judge upholds review of proposed separatist referendum question
"It is not plain and obvious that the constitutional referendum proposal is constitutional"

Author of the article:Matthew Black
Published Aug 14, 2025 • Last updated 12 hours ago • 4 minute read

Mitch Sylvestre, CEO of Alberta Prosperity Project displays an image taken during the Holocaust while drawing comparisons between the current economic situation in Alberta and Nazi Germany. Sylvestre spoke at an event hosted by the Alberta Prosperity Project on Tuesday, March 18, 2025, in Strathcona County.
Mitch Sylvestre, CEO of Alberta Prosperity Project displays an image taken during the Holocaust while drawing comparisons between the current economic situation in Alberta and Nazi Germany. Sylvestre spoke at an event hosted by the Alberta Prosperity Project on Tuesday, March 18, 2025, in Strathcona County.
A court will determine the constitutionality of the separatist Alberta Prosperity Project’s (APP) proposed referendum question despite the group’s effort to have that review struck, a judge ruled Thursday.


The APP and its leader Mitch Sylvestre is seeking to ask in a referendum, “Do you agree that the province of Alberta shall become a sovereign country and cease to be a province in Canada?”


Last month, Alberta chief electoral officer Gordon McClure referred the group’s proposed question to the courts for their opinion on if it violates the Constitution.

Last week, APP lawyers argued that referral should be struck, saying it was premature, an abuse of process, and an affront to democracy

On Thursday, Court of King’s Bench Justice Colin Feasby told a Downtown Edmonton courtroom that he was rejecting those arguments, stating the referral “is none of those things.”

“The process under the Citizen Initiative Act fosters the conditions for the clear expression of the will of the population of the province by dispeling the cloud of unconstitutionality that might otherwise hang over a referendum unknown,” he said.


“The referral to the court may result in delay, but it reinforces the legitimacy of the referendum process by ensuring that unconstitutional questions are not put to a vote.”

He added a full hearing was required to determine the constitutionality of the APP’s question, which he described as being not plain and obvious.

“The citizens of Alberta deserve to have these arguments made properly and heard in full; democracy demands nothing less,” he said, noting a potential separation referendum was “serious business.”

“There are legitimate arguments to be made on both sides of the issue before the court.”

Feasby said he would attempt to expedite future hearings on the constitutionality of APP’s proposed question, with preliminary legal filings for individuals or groups seeking to act as interveners to be due next month.


“Interveners will be chosen that represent a broad spectrum of perspectives on the issues before the court,” Feasby’s ruling reads, noting the court was not inviting “every adult citizen in Alberta to intervene.”

Alberta Justice Minister Mickey Amery’s office has previously indicated it plans to make submissions to the court, as have other groups, including the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation.

“We are Canadians, and we’ve been Canadians ever since our ancestors signed treaty in 1899,” Athabasca Chipewyan Chief Allan Adam told reporters after the ruling.

“We honour that commitment that was signed back in 1899 and this prosperity project that’s coming forward to separate Alberta to become an independent state, is step one to becoming the 51st state of America.”


‘Confederation is doing little for Alberta’
Sylvestre’s lawyer, Jeffrey Rath, said after the hearing that the ruling came as no surprise and that the APP would continue fighting.

“We’re happy to be engaged in the process, and we see this as a real opportunity to continue to talk about the benefits of independence to our fellow Albertans,” he said.

“Confederation is doing little for Alberta, and we’re looking forward to getting this process forward and having Albertans finally have their say on whether or not Alberta should remain part of Canada.”

Premier Danielle Smith and Amery both also publicly opposed McClure’s referral.

Government of Alberta lawyers were in court but took no position on Rath’s application to strike the referral.


Lawyers for Elections Alberta also did not make arguments on the issue of question’s constitutionality.

A spokesperson for Amery’s office said the provincial government supported a sovereign Alberta within a united Canada and reiterated its prior belief the APP’s petition should go ahead.

“Alberta’s government believes that the proposal is not unconstitutional and therefore should be approved and permitted to proceed,” it reads.

“It is settled law that any province is entitled to consult its population by referendum on any issue.”

Opposition justice critic Irfan Sabir accused the provincial government of fuelling separatist sentiment.

“This UCP government has encouraged a separatist referendum that would devastate our province’s economy, hurt investment and make life more expensive,” he said, adding Smith and Amery had “inappropriately interfered” in McClure’s work.


“The premier and this UCP government need to stop pandering to these extremist groups, especially those led by her own party members, who want to destroy our country, and let the Chief Electoral Officer and courts do their job without any political interference.”

Rival petition continues
On July 30, McClure approved a rival petition fronted by former Progressive Conservative deputy premier Thomas Lukaszuk, who is gathering signatures to support his own potential referendum question that asks, “Do you agree that Alberta should remain in Canada?”

Lukaszuk’s petition must meet the much higher bar as set by legislation that was later superseded by current rules that set out reduced thresholds.

“Today was a win, not only for democracy, but for Elections Alberta and its independence and for our First Nations, without a doubt,” he said outside of court after the ruling.
.

His campaign, which also intends to seek intervenor status, must secure 293,976 signatures within 90 days (Oct. 28), whereas the Sylvestre petition follows the new rules, which would require approximately 177,000 signatures within 120 days.

Provincial legislation requires any referendum question to not violate the Constitution and also bars multiple questions on the same subject.

mblack@postmedia.com
I was at a town hall last night about this very issue & the misinformation is staggering. It seems those who don't "approve" of a referendum have decided to spew falsehoods with the hope of not having a referendum at all. Apparently, they feel we're too stupid to make our own decisions & would prefer that THEY make decisions for us. The NDP (I'm assuming) were in full force last night & it was embarrassing to hear them spew their garbage with hateful rhetoric loud screaming & vile language. They were repeatedly asked to "calm down" say what they came to say in a more dignified way & to stop swearing but they refused to shut the F up! Finally, there were a couple or so that were forcefully removed so that the rest of us could hear what the panel had to say AND others who attended had to say what their concerns were. I attended to get more information & also to find out what others thought. It's truly disturbing that one can't have an actual conversation or debate on these things. Why is that?
 
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I was at a town hall last night about this very issue & the misinformation is staggering. It seems those who don't "approve" of a referendum have decided to spew falsehoods with the hope of not having a referendum at all. Apparently, they feel we're too stupid to make our own decisions & would prefer that THEY make decisions for us. The NDP (I'm assuming) were in full force last night & it was embarrassing to hear them spew their garbage with hateful rhetoric loud screaming & vile language. They were repeatedly asked to "calm down" say what they came to say in a more dignified way & to stop swearing but they refused to shut the F up! Finally, there were a couple or so that were forcefully removed so that the rest of us could hear what the panel had to say AND others who attended had to say what their concerns were. I attended to get more information & also to find out what others thought. It's truly disturbing that one can't have an actual conversation or debate on these things. Why is that?
My way or the highway .
 
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