Age discrimination

Pangloss

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I feel that seniors should have a discount. It's not like there are a ton of perks that come with old age.;-)

Shadow:

What do you base that assertion on? Happiness tends to increase with age - even though our bodies aren't what they used to be.

What about the perks I'm missing out on being middle aged?

Teenagers certainly feel put upon and without many of the rights we just assume because of the length of tenancy in our ever-older bodies.

I can go for a beer any time I want - I can drive - I can sign contracts, get a credit card, rent a car - ask a sixteen year old how they feel about that.

Pangloss
 

#juan

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but look on the bright side Juan, a bottle of shampoo will last you 4 times longer ! :smile::smile:

You may be right but the system is still designed against grandparents. When we retired we thought we would sell our house and downsize. Not a hope. When your kids grow up and have children of their own, it's the grandparents who need more room to put everybody up when they all arrive at Christmas. Much more of this prosperity and I'll be broke.
 

shadowshiv

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Shadow:

What do you base that assertion on? Happiness tends to increase with age - even though our bodies aren't what they used to be.

What about the perks I'm missing out on being middle aged?

Teenagers certainly feel put upon and without many of the rights we just assume because of the length of tenancy in our ever-older bodies.

I can go for a beer any time I want - I can drive - I can sign contracts, get a credit card, rent a car - ask a sixteen year old how they feel about that.

Pangloss

I see you missed the ;-) smilie that I used.;-)
 

Tonington

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The insurance industry was getting away with it for a long time. It cost me $2600 dollars a year to insure a $2500 car. Now that age is out of the picture, as well as gender and driving records are what count, I'm much happier.
 

Outta here

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You may be right but the system is still designed against grandparents. When we retired we thought we would sell our house and downsize. Not a hope. When your kids grow up and have children of their own, it's the grandparents who need more room to put everybody up when they all arrive at Christmas. Much more of this prosperity and I'll be broke.

Jeeze... when ya put it like that.......... .... and I bet they use half a year's worth of shampoo up when they all visit too. :smile: That does it. I don't think I can afford to grow old.
 

Kreskin

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This is from statscan. The threshhold for low after-tax income is not stated but whatever it is they show the percentage of each age category that's under it. As of 2005 seniors are shown at 6.1%. Ages 18-64 are 11.4%.
 
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Niflmir

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I have complained about this sort of thing my entire life. People don't really take an eight year old seriously when he says he is being discriminated against however.

At sixteen, a Canadian is basically obliged to work. If not, they may not be able to go to university or have money for clothes etc. which is not necessary in many other industrialized countries, say Portugal. In Nova Scotia the drinking age is 19, yet at 18 with a valid driver's license one can drive to Montreal and legally drink. Furthermore, there are far more deaths associated with automobile accidents than with drinking accidents alone, so the ability to endanger other lives at 16 when contrasted with the ability to endanger my own life at 19/18 is absurd.

Then there is of course the senior's discount. I walk into a store and state that I am 65. If they don't laugh at me outright they will ask for ID. They have just broken the law. It is illegal to ask for ID before serving me where the product is not regulated by law. Of course I can walk across the street and find a store that gives seniors discounts at 55, so it too is absurdly arbitrary.

The arbitrary nature of drawing a line is what defines discrimination. There is no question that it is discrimination. The problem is that the very first section of our charter gives the government power to impose reasonable limits. But is such geographic arbitrariness really reasonable? At the very least shouldn't they fix an age for all of Canada? How exactly do these things benefit a free and democratic society, other than through providing a sense of entitlement?
 

Curiosity

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We argue this discrimination all the time in my group of 'consumers'....

I think special consideration for seniors be given on items of necessity - but items of choice in lifestyle should be at the discretion of the seller or provider as some seniors can afford the perks and some cannot.

We promote Senior's Days during the month (usually low customer days) where seniors get a discount on items for sale or restaurants or theaters. They enjoy their perks at reduced rates on those days or if they 'choose' can pay full price on other days. There is less general discrimination.

I don't know about movie theaters giving reduced rates - probably do - but many seniors centers use their large screens and rent movies for free viewing.... and knowing seniors they probably have lots of eats as well....

I don't know whether hair cutting is the same for all age groups or not.... interesting thoughts about that...

During August - prior to the new school year starting there are many offers for low income families for clothing sharing and reduced school supplies costs. These take on the idea of a huge party rather than a 'giving to the poor' theme.... the kids have a great time and nobody seems to mind getting a bargain - because used clothing stores operate year round here and there seems to be little stigma attached... but most kids have an upbeat attitude about this anyway!

The taxes are very low for seniors but medical necessity is an additional burden. I guess I am not for across the board group discounts because there are too many loopholes.
 
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MikeyDB

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If you don't like the policy of "senior's discount" let the management know. Stores and businesses aren't compelled under law to give discounts to seniors, and you are free to not patronize businesses that apply this policy. Bus and transportation services that grant seniors fares are pehaps doing it because the senior has spent a great deal more money over the say 65-70 years than a younger person and since the demand placed on a bus or train to carry a senior of oh say 130 lbs is just about the same as anyone aged any other number of years who weighs the same. Over that 65-70 years when junior needed a hockey outfit to play hockey and miss junior needed a hockey outfit or a prom dress, the parent/adult, who paid for it didn't pay a reduced price he/she paid the price that that outfit or equipment cost everyone.

Even though the parent doesn't "use" the toys and the costs of meeting the needs of their children over roughly twenty years, it seems entirely appropriate that seniors not be given any kind of special treatment when it comes to their personal needs...absolutely right.

If your barbershop continues this discriminatory practice, let the manager know that you think it grossly unfair and discrimination that an elderly person with just as much hair as you to cut pays less for having their hair cut.

Insurance companies frequently offer discounted rates to seniors for their auto insurance and if your company employs this policy, feel free to find an insurance company that charges everyone the same rate.

Seniors have spent far too much time and money in serving their community and paying over their lifetimes for many things that they personally never used, and that's simply the price of living in a community ordered by the social organizing principles of the times. Retired military shouldn't be given any discounts or special treatment either. They volunteered for the military so why should they even entertain the idea that once they retire that they're entitled to any special benefits?

While the earning potential of the elderly is greatly reduced, and the younger person can reasonably expect to maintain their income for many years, the elderly are sitting on enormous wealth accumulated over the years and should be required to liquidate those assets and pay their fair share.

Let's expose the enormous amounts of money the taxpayer pays to keep hospitals open and services available to the elderly. The elderly are a burden on society and brittle bones and failing heart lungs and eyes are no excuse to give these pikers a free ride.

Consider the amount of light (electricity use) that the senior needs...far in excess of a younger set of eyes. Think about the entertainment uses the senior demands from everyone.... That loud music blaring overhead for decades while every light in the house is burning.... Thin about the power consumed by the elderly keeping their milk cold, why do old farts need cold milk????

It's time we put these scabs, these parasites on notice.

Then we can turn our attention to fat people, and bald people and everyone knows that females fill landfill sites with menstruation pads while men have to keep cleaning up after them....

If we did'nt have to pay for shipping those feminine hygene products, all that make-up and do-dads that women demand for their entire lives....the costs of other products and the amount of waste would be radically reduced....

It's a crippling burden for the younger people to have to bear, knowing that that funny old woman and the funnly old man paid less for their bus fare than the kid with the boom-box and the young mother with her stroller and two kids in tow....

I don't know why when old folk reach the age of ...oh say 70 that their simply not taken to a disposal site where the burden of their existence can be finally dealt with!

Down with old-age and down with special treatment!

Finally the bubble has been burst!
 
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Zzarchov

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You forgot to mention the seniors who haven't much of anything at all, actually very poor.

And how is that different than the young who haven't much of anything at all, actually being very poor?


Yes there are rich seniors and poor seniors, but so too does that hold true for the younger generation, who unfortunatly is being forced to shoulder the burden of the baby boomers (the so called "worst generation", childred of the aptly named "greatest generation"). A group which had more than ample opportunities to amass wealth and many many did (though they also amassed silly amounts of debt).

Seniors still are able to hold onto that cushy job until the day they die, doing little work (they have a 20 something assistant to do all his work for 1/4 his pay and no chance to rise in the ranks since the rules were changed and mandatory retirement scrapped).

So seniors have no special needs the rest of the population doesn't have. Yes some are poor, but I don't see poor people of other age groups getting a break.

Same service, same price.
 

jjaycee98

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For the most part I agree Kreskin, why should anyone pay a different price for the same product or service?

My son can get a haircut for under $20.00. I can't get one for under $40.00, and usually it's more like $60.00. I've also read that in general, men pay a different price for drycleaning shirts than women do for blouses.

With seniors however, I always assumed it was a small way of acknowledging the life time contribution of our elderly population to society. For that reason, I don't mind that segment of the population getting a deal.

Your haircut price has nothing to do with saving money or being overcharged. Go to "Great Clips" or "Hair Cutters" and others and you can still get a haircut for LESS than $20. The $40 or $60 haircut is your choice! And if you can afford a %60 Haircut then why are you belly aching about a buck difference in a Movie ticket.
 

MikeyDB

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You go Jaycee...

Maybe we can get people all fired up about student fare passes on busses and all the places where a student card gets you a break....

Yeah let's manufacture another huge dilemna in the thinking of all these wonderful folk who see the middle class disappearing as outcome of too many breaks to too many people....

It has to be someone....anyone else's fault why life is so unfair...we simply have to take the time to open another can of disgust and hatred based on whatever we can find to whine and bitch about...

Hey...how about....the servicemen in Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn't have to fight to protect us from terrorism if we simply dropped old folk all over the place over there and after decomp has set in, the bacteria and poisons generated would take care of all our problems...

We could sell "Popeiels Amazing chute-less parchutes" to old folk as long as we kept the printing fine and put a nice picture of a puppy or a flower on the package....
 

Walter

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Private companies should be allowed to charge whatever they like to whomever they like for their goods and services and not be subjected to some bureaucrat's notion of equality. Let the market decide what the price should be.
 

Kreskin

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Is it ok for all identifiable groups to be discriminated against based on age, nationality, gender etc?

When the US came out with social security at age 65 the average life expectancy was than 65. Today it's in the range of 80, and the 65+ group can on average afford a movie easier than a 22-year old.

New Movie Pricing:

Adult - 10.00
Child - 6.00
Senior - 7.50
Native - 8.25
Iraqi - 3.65

Women 10% off!
 

Zzarchov

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Private companies should be allowed to charge whatever they like to whomever they like for their goods and services and not be subjected to some bureaucrat's notion of equality. Let the market decide what the price should be.


So, it was ok to have "White only" restaurants if they were private?
 

Zzarchov

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The thread is about age discrimination regarding prices, not race discrimination.

So some discrimination is ok, but not others. Where do you draw the line and who draws it? What about Gender discrimination? Religious? Orientation? Height? Weight?