Then we should ban politics, religion, capitalism and men's organizations like the Masons, Shriners and Elks.
About 850,000 of them in Canada:
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Well I believe in freedom so supremacist Islam is evil in my view.
How do we "impose" our views? Christians believe in freedom of religion, read a little something called the Declaration of Independence.
We have a perception problem as well as a racial problem in this country it is what divides
most of the groups in Canada. This we love everyone routine is over the top. And when
people as questions or question their place in Canada, or they feel threatened in this nation
it is not racism, it is what you are supposed to do if you have questions, Ask Them.
There are groups that fit in and some that do not and do not try to. If people don't want to fit
in. they shouldn't cry racism or anything else when others don't just give in to what they
want.
That is not to say some are not treated right, we have documented history to cover that issue.
Natives, the Japanese, even Italians were treated badly in time of national uncertainty and strife.
The Chinese before that were treated very badly, either the Tories or the Liberals I can't
remember which had an election slogan warning Beware of the Yellow Peril, That was in the
late 1800's or early twentieth century.
The problem we have today is that we have allowed too many from what I call Tribal Cultures,
rather than Societal Cultures to come and join us without warning of the cultural shock. Many
don't put democracy or society ahead of their own tribal, and customs loyalties, thus they don't
fit in. When you stand out on every issue, it creates a dividing line with the rest of society.
The biggest single problem with the Muslim Community is not their customs or beliefs in the
main stream. The problem is they have no central leadership strong enough to stand up and
denounce those who preach violence and terrorism.
They are not the only ones though, look at the situation with the Air India Bombings over two
decades ago. Only now are the moderate voices coming forward in that community to condemn
such actions. The long silence, gave the impression that the whole community supported what
was done, and that simply was not the case.
We also have to determine through the courts the difference between religious beliefs and cultural
traditions, there is a huge difference. That should apply to all religions and ethnic communities.
No one group should be above the law, and no one group should be allowed or afforded the
ability to circumvent the law on religious grounds.
One of the fastest ways to break down barriers is to have everyone understand, whether you are
Christian, Jew, Buddhist or Muslim or anything else, you must obey the laws of Canada. No matter
whether you are English, German, Iraqi, or Chinese, you are equal under law and equally
responsible should you violate the law.
I consider myself to be very lucky, I have family who make up a diverse groups through marriage
and so on. At the same time I have many friends, who are from different parts of the world.
Some are Chinese, from Mexico, from Iran, and Lebanon, even a few from Israel. I say pretty
much what is on my mind, sometimes I find disagreement but never have I been labelled a racist
The problem is not about racism, its about adapting, blending, debating, and coming together to
build a different and exciting country, but we can't do that if we are always forced to agree when
we don't, and when we cannot discuss the problems we are facing without others labelling others
racists and bigots. How can anyone come to understand someone else when no one is allowed
to express their opinion, or ask the tough questions about our future? We all need to grow up.
We don't all think the same and never will but that does not give us the right to hate each other
either.
most of the groups in Canada. This we love everyone routine is over the top. And when
people as questions or question their place in Canada, or they feel threatened in this nation
it is not racism, it is what you are supposed to do if you have questions, Ask Them.
There are groups that fit in and some that do not and do not try to. If people don't want to fit
in. they shouldn't cry racism or anything else when others don't just give in to what they
want.
That is not to say some are not treated right, we have documented history to cover that issue.
Natives, the Japanese, even Italians were treated badly in time of national uncertainty and strife.
The Chinese before that were treated very badly, either the Tories or the Liberals I can't
remember which had an election slogan warning Beware of the Yellow Peril, That was in the
late 1800's or early twentieth century.
The problem we have today is that we have allowed too many from what I call Tribal Cultures,
rather than Societal Cultures to come and join us without warning of the cultural shock. Many
don't put democracy or society ahead of their own tribal, and customs loyalties, thus they don't
fit in. When you stand out on every issue, it creates a dividing line with the rest of society.
The biggest single problem with the Muslim Community is not their customs or beliefs in the
main stream. The problem is they have no central leadership strong enough to stand up and
denounce those who preach violence and terrorism.
They are not the only ones though, look at the situation with the Air India Bombings over two
decades ago. Only now are the moderate voices coming forward in that community to condemn
such actions. The long silence, gave the impression that the whole community supported what
was done, and that simply was not the case.
We also have to determine through the courts the difference between religious beliefs and cultural
traditions, there is a huge difference. That should apply to all religions and ethnic communities.
No one group should be above the law, and no one group should be allowed or afforded the
ability to circumvent the law on religious grounds.
One of the fastest ways to break down barriers is to have everyone understand, whether you are
Christian, Jew, Buddhist or Muslim or anything else, you must obey the laws of Canada. No matter
whether you are English, German, Iraqi, or Chinese, you are equal under law and equally
responsible should you violate the law.
I consider myself to be very lucky, I have family who make up a diverse groups through marriage
and so on. At the same time I have many friends, who are from different parts of the world.
Some are Chinese, from Mexico, from Iran, and Lebanon, even a few from Israel. I say pretty
much what is on my mind, sometimes I find disagreement but never have I been labelled a racist
The problem is not about racism, its about adapting, blending, debating, and coming together to
build a different and exciting country, but we can't do that if we are always forced to agree when
we don't, and when we cannot discuss the problems we are facing without others labelling others
racists and bigots. How can anyone come to understand someone else when no one is allowed
to express their opinion, or ask the tough questions about our future? We all need to grow up.
We don't all think the same and never will but that does not give us the right to hate each other
either.
Thank you for this link, Nuggler. It led me to the series by Robert Sibley and this the first article in his post-911 series.
Age of terror, age of illusions
"The question is, why are so many unwilling to acknowledge the threat Islamism poses to western civilization? More to the point, perhaps, why are so many so quick to blame the West itself, particularly the United States, for the attacks, as though the 3,000 who perished in the collapse of those 110-storey towers, including many Canadians, deserved their fate?
Sept. 11 was what the German philosopher G.W.F. Hegel would undoubtedly call a “world-historical moment”; which is to say, the terrorist attacks forced a fundamental shift in the way we think (or should think) about the world. Simply stated: On Sept. 11, 2001, a half-hidden war against western civilization and all that it represents was finally made explicit for all to see. Only the most naive or ideologically purblind deny this. “Is there a war on?” asks Italian philosopher Marcello Pera. “My answer is: from Afghanistan to Kashmir, to Chechnya, to the Philippines, to Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Bosnia, Kosovo, Palestine, Turkey, Egypt, Algeria, and Morocco, and elsewhere, in a great part of the Islamic and Arabic world, groups consisting of fundamentalists, radicals, and extremists — the Taliban, al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood, Islamic Jihad, the Armed Islamic Group, and many others — have declared war, jihad, against the West. They have said it, written it, diffused it in plain speech. Why should we not take action?”
"To say one civilization or culture is better than another is one of the Great Taboos nowadays, at least if you subscribe to the postmodern shibboleths of multiculturalism, multi-racialism, egalitarianism, relativism, post-structuralism, etc. There is one exception, of course. If the civilization you love to hate has its roots in European Christian culture, well, that’s all right, then. You can have a nice career as a professor or a newspaper columnist denouncing the traditions and values of western civilization, even as you enjoy the best that civilization has to offer."
“How do you account for this anti-western guilt on the part of so many intellectuals? More importantly, does this guilt go beyond responsible criticism to constitute aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war? Or, put differently, does the hatred so many intellectuals feel toward western civilization serve the Islamists’ goal of destroying that civilization? The terrorist attacks didn’t happen because Americans “deserved” to die. For all the supposed faults of American foreign policies, no U.S. government has ever hijacked civilian airlines and slammed them into buildings filled with more civilians. That is the act of sociopaths, the acts of men in the grip of spiritual sickness.”
Harper says 'Islamicism' biggest threat to Canada
Harper says 'Islamicism' biggest threat to Canada - Politics - CBC News
well, harper, ( following the american fear mongering as usual) , ON WHAT EVIDENCE do you make such statements.
Where is the "intelligence" data to support that comment.??
Or is there something at work behind the scenes that would be similar to " the secret america" ?? (anyone see that documentary ??? Powerful ......if scary stuff . Big brother has nothing on what is going on 'in secret" States side.
IF anything should happen.........it would be time to examine it in terms of what Canada did to provoke such an enraged response
On one hand Harper preaches a unified , multi cultural country ( a very good thing.....considering the mobility of the earths population) and then he says something as divisive as that. .......something that promotes anger and hatred. Not smart.
Harper says 'Islamicism' biggest threat to Canada - Politics - CBC News
well, harper, ( following the american fear mongering as usual) , ON WHAT EVIDENCE do you make such statements.
Where is the "intelligence" data to support that comment.??
Or is there something at work behind the scenes that would be similar to " the secret america" ?? (anyone see that documentary ??? Powerful ......if scary stuff . Big brother has nothing on what is going on 'in secret" States side.
IF anything should happen.........it would be time to examine it in terms of what Canada did to provoke such an enraged response
On one hand Harper preaches a unified , multi cultural country ( a very good thing.....considering the mobility of the earths population) and then he says something as divisive as that. .......something that promotes anger and hatred. Not smart.
The current situation in England, which is Muslims demanding changes to the laws to expand Sharia.
The words of the Quran which encourages violence towards non-Muslims.
The words of some Muslims who further encourage violence.
The violence itself perpetrated by Muslims, which is by far the group causing the most violence today.
Let me guess, our support of Israel all those years is provocation? Not too mention going into Afghanistan and ending enslavement to Sharia law! The average Afghan must hate us for that!
Why are you supporting a religion that permits child sex, physical abuse and subjection of women, and the cutting off of hands for simple theft?
Not smart.
I am asking questions.........and NOT SUPPORTING ANYTHING. Not smart to make silly assumptions because someone actually asks questions about these grave issues.
The average Afghan must hate us for that!
really??? "must " they?? How do you KNOW THAT FOR A FACT??? Another assumption.... that you don't substantiate.
The words of the Quran which encourages violence towards non-Muslims.
How are those words different today from what they were when they were penned??? How is that "evidence"???
Things have gotten totally out of whack.......and it appears that people have been frightened to an irrational extreme by what has always been a extremist belief system.
The difference is that people of this belief system are now the target for every negative thing that has happened.
Personally, I find ALL religions a form of psychosis. Any fixed belief that is not based on reality is a delusion by definition. .....ergo: the "psychosis" Fortunately for most beleivers it is what is called an encapsulated delusion ......so all other functions remain within rational borders.
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I may be making an 'assumption' here but what the heck......I doubt that Alley intended that statement to be taken seriously, judging by the tenor of his other remarks.
They aren't.
What applied then, applies now.
Tell that to the survivors of 911.
Well I hardly blame them for the lousy summer we had here.
"Fortunately for most beleivers"............and then you have the 'other' believers wherein the psychosis is hard at work.
How many has the US slaughtered in response to losing about 4000 on 9-11?? Over kill is overkill and what about the survivors of those the US has killed??
Killing is horrific , no matter who does it . Revenge is never achieved as grudges take on a chronic value and no one wins that .
How long is the US going to abuse the victims of 9--11 as it goes around the world being its trigger happy self and leaving a trail of bodies and blood along their verngeful path??
Don't the victims deserve a lot more dignity .......?? The victims have become an excuse for some very nasty things..... and that is not acceptable.
two wrongs don't make a right. Never has and never will.
Killing is horrific , no matter who does it . Revenge is never achieved as grudges take on a chronic value and no one wins that .
How long is the US going to abuse the victims of 9--11 as it goes around the world being its trigger happy self and leaving a trail of bodies and blood along their verngeful path??
Don't the victims deserve a lot more dignity .......?? The victims have become an excuse for some very nasty things..... and that is not acceptable.
two wrongs don't make a right. Never has and never will.
Put yourself in the shoes of a young girl living in Afghanistan. Under the Taliban she was forbidden to get an education but now young girls are attending school.
Also considering the fact that under the Taliban no one could:
play music
fly a kite
associate freely
criticize Islam, Muhammad, or Sharia
be gay
kiss in public
play sports
possess a bible
I think it's safe to assume that the average Afghan is happier today than when under the crushing thumb of the Taliban, especially if you're just an innocent kid who only wants to play soccer!
As Mowich pointed out, they're not. That's the problem!
Tell that to the Christians in Lebanon, Niger or Egypt. Tell that to the Buddhists in Thailand. Tell that to the Hindus in India. Tell that to the people of Iraq. Tell that to the people of Israel.
Then why don't the "moderate" Muslims speak out against the references in the Quran to killing and the constant violence perpetrated by their fellow followers?
Personally, I find secularism a form of psychosis.
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I suppose what I object to most in your posts, OB, is that you continue to refer to the U.S. as if the entire country was in cahoots with its government. If Obama has shown us nothing, he has at least shown how hard it is to make changes to an entrenched mentality. The people, citizens all of the U.S., who voted for Obama were voting for hope and change. That it didn't come about, and that other more urgent problems prevented those changes from taking place, is not the fault of the American people.
Maybe if you started punctuating the term as you should, you might come to realize that you cannot tar an entire nation with the same brush. It is not just and it is inaccurate.
I don't tell you how and what to post........and I expect the same respect in return. We all have different opinions and that is what makes us all unique .
thank you and have a nice day.