Abortion -The poll is not based upon Religious belief - It is based ethics

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JLM

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this is not a comment on Petros per se
for me, life is too short for guessing, thus I don't any more... when a post is just nuance or just a posted link, I go right on past...

if one can not be clear about one's meaning,if one can not be bothered to communicate, I'm not biting the bait... ...


I don't think there is any guess work with Petros, generally his meaning is clear and when it's not you can be pretty well assured he's just "pulling your leg". -:)
 

Sal

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Ya mean ya skipped by my links. Oh my I am shattered, hurt as well, well shattered does hurt as well, I am going now for a big cry. I will be back though.
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lol, no crying, I never skip posts where members have the cutesy to explain what they think and then post links or vids...

I am borderline crazy...lol

Well said. Ad hominem posts are a real turn off and detract from the intent of the site which is the exchange of ideas, not epithets.
agreed
 

Twila

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Well said. Ad hominem posts are a real turn off and detract from the intent of the site which is the exchange of ideas, not epithets.

for me, the use of epithets (had to look that word up, going to use it lots now though) shows the invididual has lost the debate. I think it also negates their posts validity to a degree.
 

Spade

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I am borderline crazy

You may be borderline crazy, whereas others are near sane. At least you are coming from the right direction.

for me, the use of epithets (had to look that word up, going to use it lots now though) shows the invididual has lost the debate. I think it also negates their posts validity to a degree.

The phrase "to a degree' was unnecessary.
 

Sal

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Not you, me now that be different
Does cursing, swearing and such fall into the category of epithets??
lol, don't know didn't write it...

why, what the fuk is your problem....pfffffffffft :p
 

gerryh

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It is not an individual entity until it can sustain basic life function outside of the host. Before that it is part of the host. How tough is that for you to understand. Maybe take a few minutes and look up mitochondria and mitochondrial DNA then get back to me about how different DNA is the requirement for something to be an individual sentient being. You argue based entirely on emotion and personal belief whereas I have science and logic on my side. Don't let scientific fact stand in the way of your position if you like but at least realize your premise is outside the boundaries of science and purely religious/emotional.


Scientists and Doctors agree that life begins at conception with the division of the cells. So how about YOU try using up to date scientific info.

Not without a million bucks worth of medical assistance.

So?

Are they both as retarded as you?

Yup, pretty much sums you up completely.
 

BornRuff

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Scientists and Doctors agree that life begins at conception with the division of the cells. So how about YOU try using up to date scientific info.

There are lots of different views on this in the medical and scientific community. What lead you to believe that "Scientists and Doctors agree that life begins at conception"?
 

gerryh

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There are lots of different views on this in the medical and scientific community. What lead you to believe that "Scientists and Doctors agree that life begins at conception"?


I can give you over a dozen links, but I doubt it would matter to you OR your buddy the brainless wonder.
 

BornRuff

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I can give you over a dozen links, but I doubt it would matter to you OR your buddy the brainless wonder.

This is exactly what people were just talking about in this thread. People who choose to launch personal attacks rather than actually discuss their points. It doesn't make it seem like you have a very strong argument.

Please post the links you have. Obviously that is no guarantee that I will believe you, but it would be interesting to see what lead you to this conclusion.
 

gerryh

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This is exactly what people were just talking about in this thread. People who choose to launch personal attacks rather than actually discuss their points. It doesn't make it seem like you have a very strong argument.

Ahhhh...I should just let the threat against my person and the insult to my boys pass.......I see.....NOT. You want to defend the pri ck, you go right ahead. I'll just lump your sorry a$$ into the same bucket as his.

and as for the following.....

Please post the links you have. Obviously that is no guarantee that I will believe you, but it would be interesting to see what lead you to this conclusion.

fu ck you.

I'm done with your stupidity and ignorance.
 

BornRuff

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Ahhhh...I should just let the threat against my person and the insult to my boys pass.......I see.....NOT. You want to defend the pri ck, you go right ahead. I'll just lump your sorry a$$ into the same bucket as his.

and as for the following.....



fu ck you.

I'm done with your stupidity and ignorance.

So you are continuing with the insults and avoiding substantiating your claims eh?

Not meant as an insult, but more of an observation. Does it seem like certain people are getting hammered while posting here some nights?
 

JLM

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There are lots of different views on this in the medical and scientific community. What lead you to believe that "Scientists and Doctors agree that life begins at conception"?


When else would you expect it to start? It ain't rocket science!
 

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The rules of logic can apply. My billions of cells didn't spontaneously come from nothing...my existance started when two haploid cells joined and became one diploid cell. That was the creation of me, an individual. That is what fertilization achieves biologically, a new individual. It didn't happen at any time before or after that. Obviously much has to happen along the way developmentally, but that doesn't negate the fact that it took a sperm from my father joining with an egg from my mother to produce this individual.

Making reference to tumors, or parasites, or some specific type of tissue grown with biotechnology is a really bad argument. Scientists and doctors aren't immune from making bad arguments.
 

JLM

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It is certainly not a simple issue. Look at all the differing opinions documented here. Beginning of human personhood - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obviously I tend to lead towards considering that their "life" begins when they are born.


Well, I have news for you buddy. The most populous race on earth gives credit for a year of life before birth. I guess they figure the time they've already put in is worth about time and 1/3.
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(I figure it's about time to steer this wretched thread in another direction) -:)
 

BornRuff

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The rules of logic can apply. My billions of cells didn't spontaneously come from nothing...my existance started when two haploid cells joined and became one diploid cell. That was the creation of me, an individual. That is what fertilization achieves biologically, a new individual. It didn't happen at any time before or after that. Obviously much has to happen along the way developmentally, but that doesn't negate the fact that it took a sperm from my father joining with an egg from my mother to produce this individual.

Making reference to tumors, or parasites, or some specific type of tissue grown with biotechnology is a really bad argument. Scientists and doctors aren't immune from making bad arguments.

How far back do you want to go? The sperm and the egg didn't come out of thing air you know.

Your embryonic period period started when the egg was fertilized. You are not a fetus until around 10 weeks after that.

At what point you could actually be considered an independent person has been a matter of debate for a long long time.