Abortion -The poll is not based upon Religious belief - It is based ethics

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BornRuff

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**** the standards.....the simple fact is any doctor in Canada can do a partial birth abortion without legal retribution. THAT is the point, and your galloping off down side roads claiming "Oh My! It never happens" is BS.

I think that if something is happening or not is pretty important, no?

What is the point of any law against this if you don't consider the act itself happening to be a central issue?

Perhaps you need a lesson in English language comprehension.

There is a spectrum of opinion here.....the extremist position on one end of the spectrum (known as "extremist because it is at the extreme end of that spectrum) is no abortion whatsoever, no matter what stage, nor what given reason. The extremist position on the other end of the spectrum is no legal control, abortion quite legal at any time prior to the natural emergence of the child.(known as "extremist because it is at the extreme end of that spectrum)

The position in the middle of the spectrum is some rational legal control over abortion, as done in 98% of the world..........in this case my position is open abortion until 22 weeks, and very restricted access thereafter.

By definition, that is the MODERATE position, as it lands on the spectrum exactly between the two EXTREMIST positions.

You're welcome. Any other time I can help you understand the language, just ask.

I do not think there is anything extreme about abortion in Canada right now.

The types of abortions that take place, and the point in the pregnancy that these abortions take place, is no different than any other modern country. If we are right in line with everyone else, wouldn't that be the definition of moderate?

I think that "extreme" would look more like advocating for late term abortions, advocating for using abortion as an alternative to other birth control methods, etc. That certainly sounds pretty extreme compared to the status quo, no?
 

DaSleeper

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To gain knowledge from reliable sources?




 

petros

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I'm sorry bud, but you have shown yourself to be a pretty terrible person to make that judgement.

If you want to keep posting about this topic, I will keep trying to explain it to you, but don't keep posting and then complain that I am responding to you too much.

Are you saying if beef were butter and butter were beef the olive trees would be full of piano tuners?
 

PoliticalNick

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Nope. It has it's own DNA.

So does the mitochondria within all your cells. That doesn't make them individual beings. In fact the mitochondria will perish if removed from your cells just like a fetus before about 36 weeks. You cannot tell me these are not part of the host.
 

petros

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So does the mitochondria within all your cells. That doesn't make them individual beings. In fact the mitochondria will perish if removed from your cells just like a fetus before about 36 weeks. You cannot tell me these are not part of the host.
Sorry bub. The fetus is an individual with unique DNA.
 

gerryh

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So does the mitochondria within all your cells. That doesn't make them individual beings. In fact the mitochondria will perish if removed from your cells just like a fetus before about 36 weeks. You cannot tell me these are not part of the host.


Try again, you're about 50 years behind. Viability is now at the 22 to 23 week mark. Both my boys were born at the 34-36 week mark without any need for help. 7,14 for one and 8,4 for the other one. You really need to keep up.
 

Goober

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It is good to see the Dr. Strangeloves argue so strongly for the right to life of the unborn. Now, if they only thought about the born...
Perhaps the gods are in their heavens..

Sad to say that both are neglected.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh, we don't need any more days of Gerry's rampages!
(I guess furnace season is drawing to a close and old Ger is just twiddling his thumbs and looking for issues) -:)

Gerry from what I understand is an HVAC Tech. Companies that had their Maintenance reports for work to be done before the warm season began. As companies are like humans, they waited, to long and work is now piled up.

Typical Con thinking in black and white.

The point is that they are so rare that it's not worth worrying about legislation. The second point is that as technology improves, there will be opportunities to ensure even late stage abortions do not cause pain to the fetus or physical harm to the mother.

Legislating at this point would contradict those efforts and could even begin a slippery slope for prolifers to demand further restrictive legislation.

Ah rare.
Later term abortion, just like the Chinese do. I believe the term is crowning.
And you find no horror or disgust with late term abortions past 28 weeks?
So were sex selective abortions 20 years ago. So was aborting a twin for economic reasons. Just 20 years ago.
My how we have made progress.
 

PoliticalNick

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Sorry bub. The fetus is an individual with unique DNA.

It is not an individual entity until it can sustain basic life function outside of the host. Before that it is part of the host. How tough is that for you to understand. Maybe take a few minutes and look up mitochondria and mitochondrial DNA then get back to me about how different DNA is the requirement for something to be an individual sentient being. You argue based entirely on emotion and personal belief whereas I have science and logic on my side. Don't let scientific fact stand in the way of your position if you like but at least realize your premise is outside the boundaries of science and purely religious/emotional.

Try again, you're about 50 years behind. Viability is now at the 22 to 23 week mark.
Not without a million bucks worth of medical assistance.
Both my boys were born at the 34-36 week mark without any need for help. 7,14 for one and 8,4 for the other one. You really need to keep up.
Are they both as retarded as you?
 

JLM

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Sad to say that both are neglected.



Gerry from what I understand is an HVAC Tech. Companies that had their Maintenance reports for work to be done before the warm season began. As companies are like humans, they waited, to long and work is now piled up.


If he's being useful so much the better. -:)

Are they both as retarded as you?


The chances of that are only 25%! -:)
 

Corduroy

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Where was the control when having sex without regard for pregnancy and deadly diseases took place?

It was there.

I haven't done it, that's how the argument's phrased by others and it's not one I would use. In my view you can't have a right to do something that's in fact not possible to do.

What exactly do you think the right to control one's body means?
 

petros

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It is not an individual entity until it can sustain basic life function outside of the host. Before that it is part of the host. How tough is that for you to understand. Maybe take a few minutes and look up mitochondria and mitochondrial DNA then get back to me about how different DNA is the requirement for something to be an individual sentient being. You argue based entirely on emotion and personal belief whereas I have science and logic on my side. Don't let scientific fact stand in the way of your position if you like but at least realize your premise is outside the boundaries of science and purely religious/emotional.

Sorry bub. You are mistaken.

Why would I look up something I'm aware of that is an irrelevant straw clutch on your behalf?

None of my opposition is emotion or religious based.

It was there.

How so? Risking your life an the lives of other is controlled thought?
 

petros

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I thought you were talking about the right to control your own body, which was, incidentally, what I was talking about. That right doesn't go away when you've made a bad choice.

Your noggin and the working innards aren't attached to your body.

Well, part of that is a fact, "The fetus is an individual" is not.

Are you saying it's part of the Borg collective? If no what then? It's not another human being nurtured by a hose?