A very Hitler Christmas

[Spade]

Look, Captain, what I object to in the OP and in the shying away from "association", is the vain attempt to distance ourselves from any responsibility, to wash our hands among the innocent, to say the evil was "other."

To quote Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. If only it were all so simple, if only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it was necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. Yet even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. And who wants to destroy a piece of his own heart?"

 

[petros]

how did that compare to the millions of 'sacrificial offerings' that were perpetuated by the Inca and Mayans in their relatively short history?

It's like trying compare pocket change to a $100 bill. It wasn't millions. Mayans and Incans were lightweights compared to the Aztecs who sacrificed a couple hundred thousand.

 

[Cliffy]

how did that compare to the millions of 'sacrificial offerings' that were perpetuated by the Inca and Mayans in their relatively short history?

I didn't see that but I heard and read about it. I also read about cannibalism amongst coastal tribes. So what?

 

[captain morgan]

Look, Captain, what I object to in the OP and in the shying away from "association", is the vain attempt to distance ourselves from any responsibility, to wash our hands among the innocent, to say the evil was "other."

You're taking it to the opposite extreme; and in a manner that appears to rely on info that is fabricated to boot.

This is nothing more than a witch hunt for you

I didn't see that but I heard and read about it. I also read about cannibalism amongst coastal tribes. So what?

I agree.... So what?

 

[earth_as_one]

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Christianity has a long history of the virulent antisemitism:
Christianity and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which reached its most extreme expression during the Nazi period. Now that Christian based antisemitism is in decline, modern Christians are busy rewriting history so they don't have to face the fact that fellow Christians rounded up and exterminated Jews, Roma, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses...

It's like trying compare pocket change to a $100 bill. It wasn't millions. Mayans and Incans were lightweights compared to the Aztecs who sacrificed a couple hundred thousand.

I suspect that some of what the Spanish conquerors believed was torture and sacrifice was actually surgery and autopsies.

Mexicolore

Inca Skull Surgeons Were "Highly Skilled," Study Finds

 

[captain morgan]

modern Christians are busy rewriting history so they don't have to face the fact that fellow Christians rounded up and exterminated Jews, Roma, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses...

The various factions of Islamic extremism have eliminated the need for Christians to rewrite anything

 

[Locutus]

All I see is a staff Christmas party.

 

[CDNBear]

No agenda other than honesty.

I disagree.

Reallly?

Yes really.

So Kabbalists aren't Jews and Jesuits aren't Christians because they practice mysticism as part of their Religion? Oooooookay.

Holy crap, we're at the point where you make up commentary I never offered already?

We're talking about Hitler here.

Try following along will ya.

Sounds like your missing the big picture thanks to your agenda based on the opinions of an author.

Nope. I see the whole picture. And it isn't the author's opinion I'm following, it was Adolf's own words and actions.

which reached its most extreme expression during the Nazi period. Now that Christian based antisemitism is in decline, modern Christians are busy rewriting history so they don't have to face the fact that fellow Christians rounded up and exterminated Jews, Roma, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses...

You're one to talk about revisionist history. Your very existence relies heavily on it.

 

[Nuggler]

All I see is a staff Christmas party.

Pretty big party, but, yep. :lol:

 

[wulfie68]

Christianity has a long history of the virulent antisemitism:
Christianity and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which reached its most extreme expression during the Nazi period. Now that Christian based antisemitism is in decline, modern Christians are busy rewriting history so they don't have to face the fact that fellow Christians rounded up and exterminated Jews, Roma, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses...

You're correct in that Christianity has a long history of antisemitism especially in Europe but you're wrong in saying they're re-writing history. Yes, there are propagandists, as in every religious and/or political movement, but serious historians who research their subjects admit and acknowledge the atrocities committed over the years, largely because those atrocities were common to everyone and not specific to one religion or culture.

 

[earth_as_one]

I agree with you wulfie68. I should have wrote that some Christians can't handle the truth about Christianity and antisemitism. Many Christians are in full denial regarding the role Christianity played in persecuting religious minorities.

Hitler clearly believed Christ existed. However he believed an extremely racist version of Christianity... therefore he is not a mainstream Christian. However Hitler's viewpoints regarding Jews, Roma, Slavs... reflected mainstream German and probably mainstream European Christian attitudes at the time he was elected in the early 1930's until about the mid 1950's.

Since the 1950's, Christianity has become more tolerant and that the racist attitudes that propelled Hitler into power are now restricted to the fringes.

 

[darkbeaver]

I think that this is an excellent topic for discussion.

Were so called Christians behind the massacres Yes- Was Hitler a Christian- In my opinion- No.

The Soviets were atheists - does that lay the mass slaughters at the feet of all atheists- No

In your opinion what then is a christian? Your own logic would agree that the Soviets were Jews and not atheists.

I agree with you wulfie68. I should have wrote that some Christians can't handle the truth about Christianity and antisemitism. Many Christians are in full denial regarding the role Christianity played in persecuting religious minorities.

Hitler clearly believed Christ existed. However he believed an extremely racist version of Christianity... therefore he is not a mainstream Christian. However Hitler's viewpoints regarding Jews, Roma, Slavs... reflected mainstream German and probably mainstream European Christian attitudes at the time he was elected in the early 1930's until about the mid 1950's.

Since the 1950's, Christianity has become more tolerant and that the racist attitudes that propelled Hitler into power are now restricted to the fringes.

Id bet that you can't handle the truth about the origin and mission of either Christianity or Antisemitism.