A Serious Question For Conservative Supporters

Machjo

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As somebody that considers himself fiscally conservative, I abandoned the PCs when the Reform party started up. The Reform/Alliance party was taken over by social conservatives and I soon abandoned that party. I have heard nothing from the Conservative Party or its supporters this election on policies or platforms. Instead I've heard attacks on Justin and Mulcair and warnings about how bad they will be.

As a fiscally conservative, socially liberal voter, I see the Conservatives as everything I am not. My question is, as a voter with little use for Justin or Mulcair, does the Conservatives having anything to offer me other than put downs of others?

...and thanks in advance flossy but your input isn't really required here.

I would have considered a Libertarian Party candidate, but there is none in my riding; so now I'm trying to decipher how competent my BQ candidate might be.

All the other parties want to waste taxpayer money on the great administrative redundancy... er... oh, sorry, I meant official bilingualism.
 

CDNBear

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That's kinda my point. It doesn't seem like anybody can really defend the last few years without bringing up the other parties. It's like supporters know the party's record can't stand on its own merit. This election seems to be mirroring the Alberta election where only a small minority wanted a Dipper government but enough people casted a protest vote against the Conservatives. "The devil you know" campaign tactic failed miserably.
Did you even read the post you quoted?

The laundry list of egregious actions by this government is exponentially greater than what has come before.
Not by a long shot.

Your extremism is beyond the pale. Stupid at best, idiotic at worst.
 

AnnaG

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Well, the last I heard is that we Canuckians are sticking to the budget so far. Debt is kind of freaky at $613 billion and growing at some $2.75 million per day.
The ratio of debt to GDP declined a bit.
I'd like to see gov't shrink some but so far nothing has happened in that respect.
At best, this gov't gets a C- from me, fiscally.
 

petros

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I'm so happy 'cause today
I've found my friends ...
They're in my head
I'm so ugly, but that's okay, 'cause so are you ...
We've broken our mirrors
Sunday morning is everyday for all I care ...
And I'm not scared
Light my candles, in a daze
'Cause I've found god

I'm so lonely, but that's okay, I shaved my head ...
And I'm not sad
And just maybe I'm to blame for all I've heard ...
But I'm not sure
I'm so excited, I can't wait to meet you there ...
But I don't care
I'm so horny, but that's okay ...
My will is good
 

JLM

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Well, the last I heard is that we Canuckians are sticking to the budget so far. Debt is kind of freaky at $613 billion and growing at some $2.75 million per day.
The ratio of debt to GDP declined a bit.
I'd like to see gov't shrink some but so far nothing has happened in that respect.
At best, this gov't gets a C- from me, fiscally.

Hey, but do you want to listen to the screaming when it gets in the position to deserve a C+? People want a lot of sh*t they don't want to pay for? Speaking for myself I'd gladly kick in an extra $50 a month to improve healthcare, if everyone else would. I've benefitted a lot from the system- more in fact than I've ever paid in. A hospital stay in B.C. costs $3000 a day.
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

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It's death by a thousand cuts for them.

The laundry list of egregious actions by this government is exponentially greater than what has come before.

And the fact that they are buoyed by people who still believe we should have a death penalty or that we shouldn't have abortion or that are just bluntly racist says it all.

Did he not say your opinion was not welcome here? Not that it is really welcome anywhere but still.

To the OP ...

I am a fiscal conservative but a social liberal (small l). I hate useless taxes and government waste (if you need definitions of either, please search "Wynn"). But I support gay marriage, freedom of choice and am not for the death penalty but am not against it enough to protest if it was implemented. In other hot button items, I support the idea that one might need id to vote in a general election and not be covered in head to toe with a wrap such that the voter could be anybody. I also support the fight against ISIS and support accepting refugees we can handle but performing proper security checks on all that come knocking.

The party I look for is one that will be doing best for me while not screwing others. The Conservatives are not perfect. They certainly could have been more open but overall I don't really think they have done a bad job. The tax reductions have been beneficial to me. Also, the Conservatives are not running on an abortion, death penalty or gay marriage platform so the gum flapping of libtards like Flossy really doesn't apply.

That being said, I do look at the NDP and the Lieberals for their proposals and look at how their government would be better for me and the country. The Lieberals sound nice: "Tax the rich, cut back tax on middle class", kill the child benefit and income splitting which is "benefiting the millionares". The problem is that their definition of rich is anybody making a HOUSEHOLD INCOME over $90k/year. They would tax these people. The millionaires no doubt have their millions in tax havens overseas and will not pay more tax.

The NDP I need to research more but from what I have read so far, it looks similar. But like I said, I have not had chance to research them yet.

I still consider myself undecided but am leaning Conservative and did vote Conservative in the last election. You asked, I answered. I have no intention of defending my thinking or getting into one of these back and forth things with you. Take this as my opinion and leave it at that.
 

CDNBear

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Thanks for proving yet again that you're a conbot.
There's no nice way to say this, so here it is, you're an extremist idiot.

Did he not say your opinion was not welcome here? Not that it is really welcome anywhere but still.

To the OP ...

I am a fiscal conservative but a social liberal (small l). I hate useless taxes and government waste (if you need definitions of either, please search "Wynn"). But I support gay marriage, freedom of choice and am not for the death penalty but am not against it enough to protest if it was implemented. In other hot button items, I support the idea that one might need id to vote in a general election and not be covered in head to toe with a wrap such that the voter could be anybody. I also support the fight against ISIS and support accepting refugees we can handle but performing proper security checks on all that come knocking.

The party I look for is one that will be doing best for me while not screwing others. The Conservatives are not perfect. They certainly could have been more open but overall I don't really think they have done a bad job. The tax reductions have been beneficial to me. Also, the Conservatives are not running on an abortion, death penalty or gay marriage platform so the gum flapping of libtards like Flossy really doesn't apply.

That being said, I do look at the NDP and the Lieberals for their proposals and look at how their government would be better for me and the country. The Lieberals sound nice: "Tax the rich, cut back tax on middle class", kill the child benefit and income splitting which is "benefiting the millionares". The problem is that their definition of rich is anybody making a HOUSEHOLD INCOME over $90k/year. They would tax these people. The millionaires no doubt have their millions in tax havens overseas and will not pay more tax.

The NDP I need to research more but from what I have read so far, it looks similar. But like I said, I have not had chance to research them yet.

I still consider myself undecided but am leaning Conservative and did vote Conservative in the last election. You asked, I answered. I have no intention of defending my thinking or getting into one of these back and forth things with you. Take this as my opinion and leave it at that.
Well said.
 

SLM

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Did he not say your opinion was not welcome here? Not that it is really welcome anywhere but still.

To the OP ...

I am a fiscal conservative but a social liberal (small l). I hate useless taxes and government waste (if you need definitions of either, please search "Wynn"). But I support gay marriage, freedom of choice and am not for the death penalty but am not against it enough to protest if it was implemented. In other hot button items, I support the idea that one might need id to vote in a general election and not be covered in head to toe with a wrap such that the voter could be anybody. I also support the fight against ISIS and support accepting refugees we can handle but performing proper security checks on all that come knocking.

The party I look for is one that will be doing best for me while not screwing others. The Conservatives are not perfect. They certainly could have been more open but overall I don't really think they have done a bad job. The tax reductions have been beneficial to me. Also, the Conservatives are not running on an abortion, death penalty or gay marriage platform so the gum flapping of libtards like Flossy really doesn't apply.

That being said, I do look at the NDP and the Lieberals for their proposals and look at how their government would be better for me and the country. The Lieberals sound nice: "Tax the rich, cut back tax on middle class", kill the child benefit and income splitting which is "benefiting the millionares". The problem is that their definition of rich is anybody making a HOUSEHOLD INCOME over $90k/year. They would tax these people. The millionaires no doubt have their millions in tax havens overseas and will not pay more tax.

The NDP I need to research more but from what I have read so far, it looks similar. But like I said, I have not had chance to research them yet.

I still consider myself undecided but am leaning Conservative and did vote Conservative in the last election. You asked, I answered. I have no intention of defending my thinking or getting into one of these back and forth things with you. Take this as my opinion and leave it at that.


IRBS....I think I love you. :D
 

JLM

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Well, I've heard $1200 and up.

And heavy on the "up". I spent 11 days in the Royal Jubilee in Victoria this spring and was told at the time one day's stay there cost $3000. Granted that is a first class hospital, the one in Nakusp may be less.
 

AnnaG

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Did he not say your opinion was not welcome here? Not that it is really welcome anywhere but still.

To the OP ...

I am a fiscal conservative but a social liberal (small l). I hate useless taxes and government waste (if you need definitions of either, please search "Wynn"). But I support gay marriage, freedom of choice and am not for the death penalty but am not against it enough to protest if it was implemented. In other hot button items, I support the idea that one might need id to vote in a general election and not be covered in head to toe with a wrap such that the voter could be anybody. I also support the fight against ISIS and support accepting refugees we can handle but performing proper security checks on all that come knocking.

The party I look for is one that will be doing best for me while not screwing others. The Conservatives are not perfect. They certainly could have been more open but overall I don't really think they have done a bad job. The tax reductions have been beneficial to me. Also, the Conservatives are not running on an abortion, death penalty or gay marriage platform so the gum flapping of libtards like Flossy really doesn't apply.
I can go for that.

That being said, I do look at the NDP and the Lieberals for their proposals and look at how their government would be better for me and the country. The Lieberals sound nice: "Tax the rich, cut back tax on middle class", kill the child benefit and income splitting which is "benefiting the millionares". The problem is that their definition of rich is anybody making a HOUSEHOLD INCOME over $90k/year. They would tax these people. The millionaires no doubt have their millions in tax havens overseas and will not pay more tax.

The NDP I need to research more but from what I have read so far, it looks similar. But like I said, I have not had chance to research them yet.

I still consider myself undecided but am leaning Conservative and did vote Conservative in the last election. You asked, I answered. I have no intention of defending my thinking or getting into one of these back and forth things with you. Take this as my opinion and leave it at that.
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Now and again, I lean towards the Cons (their fiscal abilities need a lot of work, though), but on election day I might go Indie if there is the same dude. If not, I may just leave the card empty.
 

mentalfloss

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There is a difference between conservative supporters and Conservative supporters.

People who consider themselves conservatives are generally douchebags.

People who consider themselves Conservatives are stupid douchebags.


In all seriousness, the term conservative is as nebulous as libertarian.
 

darkbeaver

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IRBS....I think I love you. :D

Yes splendid, an outburst of reasonable, I'm not sure that's happened here before.
 

AnnaG

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There is a difference between conservative supporters and Conservative supporters.

People who consider themselves conservatives are generally douchebags.

People who consider themselves Conservatives are stupid douchebags.


In all seriousness, the term conservative is as nebulous as libertarian.
The best you can do is baseless insult?

I am beginning to think the people you call "conbots" are correct in their assessment that you really are freakin stupid. And I really dislike you at the moment for making me resort to an insulting rebuttal.
 

petros

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JLM

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Post surgery? Correct?

I don't think what I had could be classified as surgery. I had an angiogram and exploratory procedure and two stents and a defibrillator installed. Maybe the defibrillator was minor surgery as they did do an incision in my chest. All the other sh8t was through the arteries.
 

AnnaG

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I just found out that we don't have a Gliberal candidate yet. That sounds like trouble for them around here. So far, no Indie either. We do have Atamanenko running again. He's the incumbent. I don't like him. Not sure how I feel about Zeisman yet.