A Serious Question For Conservative Supporters

JLM

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I think there's a more serious question for non supporters. What are the two god damn goofs going to do within the budget Harper has been adhering to, to improve things?

I just found out that we don't have a Gliberal candidate yet. That sounds like trouble for them around here. So far, no Indie either. We do have Atamanenko running again. He's the incumbent. I don't like him. Not sure how I feel about Zeisman yet.

At risk of bad mouthing someone, was Zeisman the guy Harper put the run on a few years back. The guy I'm thinking was an absolute Clutz, the cause of a vehicle accident and caught importing contraband. My memory is good but it's short!
 

JLM

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There is a difference between conservative supporters and Conservative supporters.

People who consider themselves conservatives are generally douchebags.

People who consider themselves Conservatives are stupid douchebags.


In all seriousness, the term conservative is as nebulous as libertarian.

It's not rocket science------------conserve = save or make last.

I made up my mind weeks ago I will not be voting conservative
When Justin voted to pass C-51 I dropped the idea of voting for him

The other goof has been saying some scary stuff, you better give Harper a closer look. Just for your financial well being. :) :)
 

Machjo

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There is a difference between conservative supporters and Conservative supporters.

People who consider themselves conservatives are generally douchebags.

People who consider themselves Conservatives are stupid douchebags.


In all seriousness, the term conservative is as nebulous as libertarian.

Some days I identify more as a liberal-conservative, on others a social-corporatist, and on yet others a libertarian. That's because I'm always contrasting my beliefs. If I meet an ultra-conservative, I'll likely identify as a social-corporatist. If I meet a extreme leftist, I'll likely identify as a liberal-conservative. And when all sides seem unreasonable, I'll default to libertarian.
 
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CDNBear

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Some days I identify more as a liberal-conservative, on others a sovial-corporatist, and on yet others a libertarian. That's because I'm always contrasting my beliefs. If I meet an ultra-conservative, I'l likely identify as a social-corporatist. If I meet a extreme leftist, I'l likely identify as a liberal-conservative. And when all sides seem unreasonable, I'l default to libertarian.
Flossy is an ideologue. He doesn't understand the fluidity you speak of.
 

MHz

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Good reason why the votes should be by referendum rather than by elected person alone, that way all those concerns are met. Open the voting once the legislation has been published so each riding could 'discuss the issues' and a poll showing how many are interested in the bill and what a vote would result in on any certain day and then the voting can begin and last a week/month if need be.
 

Machjo

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I probably default firstly to social-corporatism (making me sympathize with the left first and so my vote for the left to lose and the right to win). Secondly to liberal-conservatism when the left seems too loopy, and thirdly to libertarianism. Libertarianism has more holes in it than Swiss cheese, but it's likely to cause far less damage than the loopy left or right, making it a safe place to park a vote until the others smarten up.
 

Cannuck

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So, we were discussing the upcoming election at coffee today and it seems, around these parts anyway, that there is little if any interest in the Liberals or Dippers. That said, out of 15 guys sitting around the table, not a single one was happy with the Conservatives and it was almost unanimous that they wanted to see a change in government. The only palatable option open (it was agreed on by most) was that the ruling Conservatives need to get their collective heads out of their rectums and start doing things that appeal to average voters instead of their fringe supporters. It's an unfortunate situation when the political agenda is driven by the fringes. Our political system mirrors this site in that the pedantic ramblings of the ideologues drowned out common sense and reason.
 

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As somebody that considers himself fiscally conservative, I abandoned the PCs when the Reform party started up. The Reform/Alliance party was taken over by social conservatives and I soon abandoned that party. I have heard nothing from the Conservative Party or its supporters this election on policies or platforms. Instead I've heard attacks on Justin and Mulcair and warnings about how bad they will be.

As a fiscally conservative, socially liberal voter, I see the Conservatives as everything I am not. My question is, as a voter with little use for Justin or Mulcair, does the Conservatives having anything to offer me other than put downs of others?

...and thanks in advance flossy but your input isn't really required here.
Most if not all of the "Progressive" Conservatives have left the Party. The original amalgamation was only done to prevent the vote splitting the conservatives were doing to themselves. Harper has turned the party into a social and fiscal conservative party. You can see Harper's mean streak permeate throughout the party. Just listen to the spokespeople they send out.
 

Cannuck

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Harper has turned the party into a social and fiscal conservative party.
No, actually, he hasn't. He's strong on the social conservatism and weak on fiscal conservatism. Most Canadians are not socially conservative. Many fiscally conservative people like myself are not socially conservative. I believe the country will eventually elect a Liberal or Dipper government not because they want one but because they've had enough of the Conservatives (this is what happened in Alberta). If the Liberals dump Trudeau and place a fiscal conservative (a la Paul Martin) then the Consercatives are toast under their current leadership.
 

mentalfloss

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Harper is a fiscal conservative on the programs that don't suit his social conservatism.
 

Glacier

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As somebody that considers himself fiscally conservative, I abandoned the PCs when the Reform party started up. The Reform/Alliance party was taken over by social conservatives and I soon abandoned that party. I have heard nothing from the Conservative Party or its supporters this election on policies or platforms. Instead I've heard attacks on Justin and Mulcair and warnings about how bad they will be.

As a fiscally conservative, socially liberal voter, I see the Conservatives as everything I am not. My question is, as a voter with little use for Justin or Mulcair, does the Conservatives having anything to offer me other than put downs of others?

...and thanks in advance flossy but your input isn't really required here.

Here's one thing: https://htheblog.wordpress.com/2015...to-trudeau-and-mulcair-why-am-i-so-worthless/

Here's another: The dilemma — Greater Fool – Authored by Garth Turner – The Troubled Future of Real Estate

And another: “Getting a 100% wall-to-wall Marxist agreement” | Catallaxy Files

In summary, income splitting, TFSA, and no tax and spend like the other parties are offering.