a permanent manned colony on the moon by 2020

#juan

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It would be to everyone's advantage to have as many countries as possible in on any proposed moonbase. Either that or a single
world government, which is probably the only way we'll survive.
 

L Gilbert

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Newt said that if we have a colony on the moon and they reach 13,000 in population they have a right to petition to be a state... the moon colony does. Not that the whole moon becomes a US State...
Well, that's a relief. The moon is only 14,645,750 square miles. Russia is 6,592,800sq mi, Canada is 3854085 sq mi, the USA is 3,794,100 sq mi, and China is 3,705,407 sq mi. So land area occupied by each would be respectively; 490284 sq mi, 286615.20, 282154.31, and 275556.30 and so forth according to size. Density if populations were proportional would be 22 sq mi per person.
I think there'd be grief somewhere.
 

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Democrats are so caught up in making the United States a totally socialistic country

Government ownership of space program is socialism that some Republicans favor. Thankfully, this is only a small minority. As you can readily see from today's vote in Florida which benefited so much from NASA over the years, even right wing Republicans in that state did not buy Gingrich's socialist idea about funding the space program with tax money.
 

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Newt said that if we have a colony on the moon and they reach 13,000 in population they have a right to petition to be a state... the moon colony does. Not that the whole moon becomes a US State...

Therefore your claim is false.

Nice try.
 

MHz

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I agree MHz, the point of creating a mining colony in space would be to avoid the cost of lifting the same resources from earth into space.

Moving water and other materials from these objects to earth would require less energy. When it makes sense, we will exploit our solar system's resources and the colonies will happen on their own. Now if someone wants to send a mission to Mars so that they can claim to be the first... that's different. But the US already claimed the first to the moon prize, so building a base would be pointless and redundant as well as expensive.
The moon does have one advantage, being there is no atmosphere launching could be via a magnetic rail gun that could launch as fast as it could be loaded. If a Fresnel lens can heat things up here how would it work on the moon for melting 'moon dust'?

In the mining/homesteading Acts you have to make certain improvements to the property every year, the only thing the US is in line for is a littering ticket.
 

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The moon does have one advantage, being there is no atmosphere launching could be via a magnetic rail gun that could launch as fast as it could be loaded. If a Fresnel lens can heat things up here how would it work on the moon for melting 'moon dust'?

In the mining/homesteading Acts you have to make certain improvements to the property every year, the only thing the US is in line for is a littering ticket.
Not really. Improvements could be erecting McD's, landscaping golf courses, building a mall, etc. Improvements, you know. lol
 

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I understand work has already begun on the moon project.



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The moon does have one advantage, being there is no atmosphere launching could be via a magnetic rail gun that could launch as fast as it could be loaded. If a Fresnel lens can heat things up here how would it work on the moon for melting 'moon dust'?

In the mining/homesteading Acts you have to make certain improvements to the property every year, the only thing the US is in line for is a littering ticket.

Not really. Improvements could be erecting McD's, landscaping golf courses, building a mall, etc. Improvements, you know. lol

Heat dissipation will be a problem on the moon. A vacuum doesn't conduct heat very well. Devices will either have to radiate excess heat or be cooled.

I believe that if we don't kill ourselves, we will eventually exploit the moon's resources. Likely mining will be first, because of the abundance of exotic and precious metals on the surface. Also water will be mined from craters near the moon's poles.

Once we become active on the moon, dust will become a problem. Stirred up dust will take years or even centuries to settle due to low gravity and no atmosphere. Dust will become the moon's atmosphere. Eventually as the dust thickens, the moon's features ( the man on the moon) will fade and become completely obscured. People will forget that the moon wasn't always a uniform color.
 

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According to an article I have read On the Yahoo News Site, Gingrich Former house speaker plans to have America once again leading the pack in to the ambitious adventure that is space flight. Openly brandishing the "grandiose" Plans that America will have a Manned Permanent colony on the Moon By 2020, and "It Will Be American" Just further stressed the point that American's Head is too far in the clouds.

When will the nation's government come to terms with the idea that Bad-Boy-Big-Brother, Or B.B.B.B for short; Isn't the Tanked-out-muscle "Jar Head" nation it once was during World War One and the later bits of World War Two?

I see a continuation of the behavior that sparks Conspiratorial theory's round the world that says that America must own everything.

Why doesn't the government worry about the problems here on earth before they start the treck out in to the universe; Simply put, you have to learn to keep your room clean as a child or as an adult your not going to see much of a floor as an adult.

Here's the News Article that i found; Anyone else have anything to add?

Gingrich Space Plan Promises The Moon, Literally: Lunar Base by 2020

It will get him space industry people votes, that's what
 

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A couple of things of note, God I hope they are going to send the Republican Nominees first
this bunch need to be isolated from the world. Secondly there is nothing new about the NWO.
It was actually a term used by Hitler in his campaign to take over the world.
That aside, the space race and the achievements of exploring space often find workable solutions
to the problems we have on earth. The space race has provided most of the innovation we have
today.
 

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If they tried they can probably get a manned mission to the moon by 2020. Permanent? Not a chance in that time frame. Its not a priority. No one is going to elect someone with this goal given the current situation.

I would like to know why not??

Virgin and other private aerospace companies have stated, just to send 15 capsules filled with equipment and technology needed to sustain and build shelter then send manned space craft up to build and put together the buildings or moon modular bldgs.


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Gavin Morgan

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Nonsense; the mass of a manned station would be a negligible percentage of the moon's mass.
A better question is, "Does the US have the technological capacity to put a manned mission on the moon, let alone a station?" It is decades away unless it is a joint venture with other nations such as China, Russia, Europe (ESA), Japan, Canada, etc.

Nonsense! The United States reached the Moon without joint venture with other nations such ads China, Russia, Europe (ESA), Japan, Canada, etc.

Kennedy is considered - at least by the Left - as one of America`s greatest presidents, and he had the vision of placing an American on the Moon.

Another vision, well ahead of its time, like Kennedy`s is reviled and ridiculed. It is because it is promulgated by a Republican.
 

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Nonsense! The United States reached the Moon without joint venture with other nations such ads China, Russia, Europe (ESA), Japan, Canada, etc.

Kennedy is considered - at least by the Left - as one of America`s greatest presidents, and he had the vision of placing an American on the Moon.

Another vision, well ahead of its time, like Kennedy`s is reviled and ridiculed. It is because it is promulgated by a Republican.

Not really. It is reviled because the US is technically bankrupt and taxpayers will revolt if they are forced to squander yet more money on another monument to stupidity.
Of course if private enterprise has a desire to build a moon base no one is going to complain. Except perhaps a few lefties that will protest about the amount of fuel wasted and money that could go to social programs de jour etc.
 

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Nonsense! The United States reached the Moon without joint venture with other nations such ads China, Russia, Europe (ESA), Japan, Canada, etc.

At considerable cost, which in case you haven't been paying attention, governments across the globe are trying to tackle. The space race also had timing on it's side, as the space race was a parallel race to build missiles to put warheads on during the Cold War.

Landing on the moon is one thing, building a colony is quite another altogether, with different challenges.
 

L Gilbert

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Cost of first moon landing: about $35 million.
Approximately $1.8 billion just to send one vehicle to the moon these days. A manned station would likely be in the hundreds or perhaps a thousand of billions.

No problem with the moon handling a little extra mass. It is after we plunder the moon that might be a concern, though.
Mass of the moon = 7.36 × 10^22 kilograms. Mass of Skylab = 450 × 10^3. Mass of specialized mining gear = 100s of 1000s of kg. Cost of it? Prohibitively expensive.

But if a few private outfits get together on it, more power to them. I'd prefer my tax money to be spent better.