A Little Girl Died Because Canada Chose Cultural Sensitivity Over Western Medicine

[Walter]

The efficacy score for Chemo is arround 2% and that is not attributed to the drugs themselves but rather pure chance. It's a treatment that shortens the patients life in a horrible fashion.

Link.

 

[coldstream]

It's really a crime that competent authorities did not remove the child from these negligent and abusive parents. Only a society that has lost its self confidence.. that it mired in its own delusions of the 'noble savage' and 'white man's guilt' would allow this piece of cruelty and nonsense and deem it to be something that is justified.

 

[Twila]

I believe her parents were apprised of EVERYTHING to do with the cancer, the treatement and the secondary cancers that the treatments create.

I can't imagine what a child going through cancer treatments must feel. The pain, the sickness, the fear. Then to be told that your survival rate is based on five years and that there is a very real possibility of developing malignant neoplasm BECAUSE of the treatment.

from the web
Among second malignant neoplasms that may be related to radiotherapy are brain, thyroid, breast, and nonmelanoma skin cancers.Brain cancers are the most common second malignant neoplasms after lymphoid leukemia, with a median latency of 7-11 years

Brain Cancer survival rates: Younger people seem to do better. In people aged between 15 and 39, around 60 out of 100 (60%) survive for 5 years or more after diagnosis.

Seems a horrible thing to survive 1 and then get another cancer from the treatment that may end up killing you as well.

Brain tumour treatments include surgery, radiotherapy, chemotherapy, biological therapy and steroids. Different types of tumour need different treatments.

Sounds horrific. And a nightmare to have to live through.

So you think we should all be forced to accept whatever treatment the doctors and government decide we should have? The last time such a thing occurred it was the 1940s and in Nazi occupied Europe.

Actually no, the last time that occured was the 1970's in residential schools with Native children being used as guinea pigsto test the results of poor nutrition and low caloric intake. Seems the medical system felt that it was ok to do this tests without the parents permission. They starved the children and waited to see what would happen to them all the while expecting those children to behave as children that were fed the appropriate amount of food.

 

[Frankiedoodle]

I have struggled with this topic, for many years. I reviewing some of the previous posts it proves to me just how far apart people are on the treatment of sickness. What really mystifies me is that it is rarely mentioned the thousands that die because of seeking medical treatment. So the few who pass because of using faith healing failing are put before a jury, but if a patient dies because an error a doctor makes, or a infection that a patient dies of because of catching it in the hospital. Doctors aren't taken to task, when it is obviously their fault when the patient dies. Obviously there is a reason for my struggle.,I no longer practice the faith but we were brought up Christian Scientists. The argument that those that are CS don't care for their children because they don't seek medical treatment, couldn't be further from the truth. They are caring for their children the way they believe the best..

 

[AnnaG]

"A Little Girl Died Because Canada Chose Cultural Sensitivity Over Western Medicine"
Canada Lets Makayla Sault Die of Leukemia Over Religious Sensitivity | The New Republic

I think the gov't was negligent and did not apply enough diligence to consider effect and fallout of its decision. And the parents were in the least criminally negligent having not put due diligence into researching this Hippocrates place and at the most criminally abusive.

I wish people would just stop using their pathetic beliefs and faiths as excuses for causing harm and/or worsening others' conditions and circumstances. It is fµcking pathetic.

It's really a crime that competent authorities did not remove the child from these negligent and abusive parents. Only a society that has lost its self confidence.. that it mired in its own delusions of the 'noble savage' and 'white man's guilt' would allow this piece of cruelty and nonsense and deem it to be something that is justified.

What? That coming from the "human" who thinks that humans should suffer until natural death?
F. O. Inquisitor.

 

[darkbeaver]

I have struggled with this topic, for many years. I reviewing some of the previous posts it proves to me just how far apart people are on the treatment of sickness. What really mystifies me is that it is rarely mentioned the thousands that die because of seeking medical treatment. So the few who pass because of using faith healing failing are put before a jury, but if a patient dies because an error a doctor makes, or a infection that a patient dies of because of catching it in the hospital. Doctors aren't taken to task, when it is obviously their fault when the patient dies. Obviously there is a reason for my struggle.,I no longer practice the faith but we were brought up Christian Scientists. The argument that those that are CS don't care for their children because they don't seek medical treatment, couldn't be further from the truth. They are caring for their children the way they believe the best..

Medical care is a leader in premature death in the USA at #3.

 

[Twila]

the girl died from a stroke because of a clot

Cancer patients have a seven times higher risk of complications from blood clot formation. (1) One of those complications is death. Cancer patients have a dramatically increased risk of strokes, heart attacks and dangerous blood clots in the lungs (pulmonary embolism) and in the legs (deep vein thrombosis). (1) (6) That means some cancer patients die when the normal flow of blood is obstructed by a sticky clot.

The physiology of cancer itself is a state in which the blood is more prone to clot
formation. That is, increased blood clotting is but one of the many changes that occurs in many cancers. This is often referred to as a state of hypercoagulation (increased clotting) or prothrombotic (promoting clot formation).

Tumor cells interact with our blood cells and the lining of our blood vessels (1)

This can lead to reactions that make the blood sticky and stimulate clot formation (via specialized blood cells that are also a normal part of our immune system, e.g., monocytes, neutrophils, platelets).

Tumor cells cause increased inflammation (1)

This makes the blood more "sticky" and prone to clot (due to the secretion of inflammatory molecules such as cytokines.

Stagnant blood circulation (hemodynamic compromise) (1)

In many patients the blood does not circulate normally. When blood flow is slowed down due to the presence of a tumor, the blood tends to clot more. Think about a dam in a stream. When something is in the way, things get stuck.

Side Effects of Anti-Cancer Treatments and Therapies Can Increase Blood Clotting

Blood clots are the second leading cause of death in cancer patients (infection is the leading cause)

Approximately 1 in 7 hospitalized cancer patients who die, die from pulmonary embolism.
Cancer and Blood Clots - Fast Facts | Blood Clots

Cancer and Blood Clots - Fast Facts | Blood Clots

 

[darkbeaver]

What kind of stent procedure did you have? Did you do it all free of meds or did you request a stick to bite on.

Through the wrist into the heart done on the floor in the hall after consulting chicken guts.

 

[Twila]

Considering the poor girl died nearly a year ago...

And she didn't just have traditional medicine. She was being treated by her family dr.(real phd ) and an oncologist from McMasters Hospital.

The OP article is meant to make you angry and hasn't got it's facts straight.

Makayla Sault's parents speak out about daughter's death - Aboriginal - CBC

Chemotherapy took such a horrific toll on Makayla Sault's weak body that she begged her parents to take her out of treatment and try traditional medicine instead, the mother of the 11-year-old Ojibwe girl said Thursday.

Makayla, who had acute lymphoblastic leukemia, died last month after suffering a stroke. Her death sparked a national conversation on aboriginal people's right to opt out of the health system and is under investigation by the chief coroner's office.

Doctors gave Makayla a 72 per cent chance of survival even with an aggressive chemotherapy treatment, her mother, Sonya Sault, told an audience at McMaster University in Hamilton.

"She became so weak so she couldn't even stand or sit at times," she said.

Makayla Sault, girl who refused chemo for leukemia, dies
Brian Clement, Hippocrates Health Institute head, ordered to stop practising medicine
As CBC reported last May, during the 11 weeks of chemotherapy, Makayla experienced severe side-effects that landed her in the intensive care unit.

Sault said the treatment took a heavy physical and emotional toll on the little girl.

"Are you sure I'm getting better? Are you sure we're doing the right thing? I feel I am getting worse," she recalled her daughter asking.

Makayla said things like, "The chemo is going to kill me," the mother said, adding that the girl finally begged her parents to put an end to it.

'I don't care if I'm going to die, I don't want to die weak and sick in a hospital.'
— Makayla's mother, Sonya Sault, recalls her daughter's experience in chemo
"Mom, if you have the power to get me out of here, then you have to get me out of here."

Sault said she and her husband Ken thought about it.

"We know that chemotherapy is not easy for anyone, but for Makayla it was devastating," she said.

Makayla, she said, understood the "harsh reality of stopping chemotherapy," but she wanted to try traditional medicine.

"I don't care if I'm going to die, I don't want to die weak and sick in a hospital," Sault remembers her daughter telling her.

After Makayla said she saw a vision of Jesus in the hospital, in which he proclaimed that she was healed, her family stopped treatment.

CBC reported last fall that Makayla had suffered a relapse of leukemia.

'Our hearts are broken'

Sault spoke at an event organized by McMaster University's indigenous studies program in an effort to understand the problems between First Nation peoples and the health-care system.

"Our hearts are broken by the passing of our daughter," an emotional Sault said before composing herself, with her husband by her side. The parents said they want their daughter to be remembered for more than cancer. She was a dancer, gymnast and lacrosse player, Sault said, and was "wise beyond her years."

The Sault family said they would do 'whatever it takes' to ensure that their daughter Makayla was not apprehended by the Brant Children's Aid Society. (Sault family)

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The mother also said she wanted to clarify "misinformation in the media" about her daughter's treatment.

The medical staff at McMaster Children's Hospital threatened to get the authorities to apprehend the girl and her two brothers and force chemotherapy treatment upon her, Sault said.

Makayla started to feel better once the chemotherapy stopped, Sault said, but she didn't stop treatment altogether. She continued to receive treatment from her family physician, Dr. Jason Zacks, as well as an oncologist at McMaster Hospital. She also received traditional medicine from a healer near her home on the Mississaugas of the New Credit First Nation.[b/]


Makayla also attended the Hippocrates Health Institute in Florida last summer, two months after Brant Children’s Aid society decided she was not a child in need of protection.

 

[Frankiedoodle]

In the end, who is going to avoid death. The only difference is how you go out.

 

[AnnaG]

Interesting, Twila.
"After Makayla said she saw a vision of Jesus in the hospital, in which he proclaimed that she was healed, her family stopped treatment."

 

[EagleSmack]

Through the wrist into the heart done on the floor in the hall after consulting chicken guts.

No meds at all to dull the pain or to knock you out completely. Right.

 

[AnnaG]

I just had a vision and saw Jesus. He said that banks will forgive everyone's loans and gov'ts will be responsible, transparent, efficient, wise, and not require income taxes.
As Patrick Stewart's character had a habit of saying, "Make it so".

erm I will not hold my breath waiting.

 

[Twila]

Interesting, Twila.
"After Makayla said she saw a vision of Jesus in the hospital, in which he proclaimed that she was healed, her family stopped treatment."

It's been an excuse by all kinds of people to do all kinds of things. Bush Jr. said god told him to stop the tyranny in Iraq.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

How about putting the blame where it belongs?

You're right. Obama it is!

 

[Mowich]

That's his shtick!
If it was a jehovah witness refusing a transfusion, you wouldn' hear a peep out of him or anyone else if the government intervened.....Ater all it's only a chiristian religion that is trumped

Girl's forced blood transfusion didn't violate rights: top court - Canada - CBC News

I have clients who are JVs.........really nice people who have never tried to get me to join - they are cool with the fact that I am Wiccan. They are undergoing a spout of medical problems lately that necessitate operations and blood transfusions, so I asked them how they got around that problem. Easily, or fairly so, as it turns out they simply have their own blood stored. They gave me some literature - that had nothing to do with their religion - and it got me to thinking perhaps I should to the same.

The parents and the child refused treatment. It is their human right to do so. That is where all debate on this ends.

The life of a young child is over - who knows what she might have become had she the chance to find out. The fact is that she is dead not because of modern medical intervention but that she and her parents chose to ignore wisdom gained over the centuries and instead opted for an alternative treatment without conclusive proof that it worked.

The debate is not over and knowing how our PM designate feels about everything aboriginal, it may heat up even more.

So you think we should all be forced to accept whatever treatment the doctors and government decide we should have? The last time such a thing occurred it was the 1940s and in Nazi occupied Europe.

You are an adult. What you chose to do is up to you, far as I am concerned. Fact is our population is aging and we are not producing progeny at the rate we once did. We need all our children to survive and if that means using accepted medical intervention - than so be it.

 

[DaSleeper]

I've heard of people doing that having their blood store for further use....
But if a Jehovah child with leukemia needs a complete blood transfusion......

 

[petros]

Interesting, Twila.
"After Makayla said she saw a vision of Jesus in the hospital, in which he proclaimed that she was healed, her family stopped treatment."

The Indian Jesus?

 

[Mowich]

I've heard of people doing that having their blood store for further use....
But if a Jehovah child with leukemia needs a complete blood transfusion......

Good point, DS..........I will have to ask them about that one.

 

[gopher]

A Little Girl Died Because Canada Chose Cultural Sensitivity Over Western Medicine



n Monday, Makayla Sault, an 11-year-old from Ontario and member of the Mississauga tribe of the New Credit First Nation, died from acute lymphoblastic leukemia after suffering a stroke the previous day. This would normally not be big news in Canada or the U.S.—except for the fact that Makayla's death was probably preventable and thus unnecessary.

[snip]

source: Canada Lets Makayla Sault Die of Leukemia Over Religious Sensitivity | The New Republic

In reading over the narrative, it is not clear as to whether it is the government sensitivity to culture that is at fault. It appears to be more of a sensitivity to religion. To wit, "Makayla died not only from leukemia, but from faith—the faith of her parents, who are pastors. They not only inculcated her with Christianity, but, on religious grounds, removed her from chemotherapy "


Religion, not culture, seems to be the problem which caused this tragedy.