A First Encounter

petros

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I remember my first encounter with white people. Edgar Winter. He glows in the dark. Freaked me right out
 

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While it's very interesting and touching to see I have to wonder of the innocence lost. This tribe will never be the same now, well after the 1976 encounter and my guess is there will be even more evangelistic missionaries looking to convert them to their religion. I've done a little looking around and I can't find anything on how the tribe is doing since then.

The look of wonder and naivety is endearing though.
 

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While it's very interesting and touching to see I have to wonder of the innocence lost. This tribe will never be the same now, well after the 1976 encounter and my guess is there will be even more evangelistic missionaries looking to convert them to their religion. I've done a little looking around and I can't find anything on how the tribe is doing since then.

The look of wonder and naivety is endearing though.
Yup, they are probably as hooped as the rest of us. Damn do gooders! they really mess up the Creator's children with their self righteousness.
 

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While it's very interesting and touching to see I have to wonder of the innocence lost. This tribe will never be the same now, well after the 1976 encounter and my guess is there will be even more evangelistic missionaries looking to convert them to their religion. I've done a little looking around and I can't find anything on how the tribe is doing since then.

The look of wonder and naivety is endearing though.

Yup, they are probably as hooped as the rest of us. Damn do gooders! they really mess up the Creator's children with their self righteousness.

Okay guys.....let's not get carried away.

I enjoyed this vid as much as anyone.....I found it intellectually and emotionally stimulating......

But, these people are not Adam and Eve, and the jungles of New Guinea are not the Garden of Eden, and the white man is not a snake presenting them the fatal apple.

The tribesman of New Guinea were violent, war-like, and often cannibals. Their average lifespan in their natural state would have been somewhere around 30 to 35 years. A person of 50 would have been ancient.

Their attitude in the vid is the attitude of the warrior, used to combat.....or did you not notice the advance group of four heavily armed men??? And no, they weren't merely hunting.....did you catch the guy with his bow in his left hand, arrow in the same hand ready to be noched, and war hammer in his right, lashed to his wrist by a lanyard so he did not have to drop it to use the bow?

A fighting man.

Heaven knows I have no problem with armed men....it is our natural state......to be unarmed is unnataural........

but let's not turn these guys into something they are not.
 

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Okay guys.....let's not get carried away.

I enjoyed this vid as much as anyone.....I found it intellectually and emotionally stimulating......

But, these people are not Adam and Eve, .................

Heaven knows I have no problem with armed men....it is our natural state......to be unarmed is unnataural........

but let's not turn these guys into something they are not.
Actually, the white missionaries are the snake. What is natural is for humans to live in nature, to be part of it, but civilized man is terrified of nature and is continually trying to conquer and control it. That is what is unnatural. The missionaries offer magic beans to replace their innate connection to their environment. Just because they appear barbaric and uncivilized is a judgement we put on them and has nothing to do with the reality of their existence. As simple as their lives may seem to us, they are rich in so many other ways. So their lives are short. They are probably full in so many ways that we can't fathom.
 

petros

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Okay then. They are savages because of lack of contact with white man?

If you have the time look into the history of Liberia sometime.

Slaves from America were dropped off there in the 1850's and immediately enslaved the people living there and started plantations.

They learned that from where?

The Bibles they took with them to Africa after leaving America?
 

YukonJack

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Okay then. They are savages because of lack of contact with white man?

If you have the time look into the history of Liberia sometime.

Slaves from America were dropped off there in the 1850's and immediately enslaved the people living there and started plantations.

They learned that from where?

The Bibles they took with them to Africa after leaving America?

And who sold them to the white man in the first place?
 

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An interesting question and one that many will find uncomfortable in answering.
Slavery is one of the oldest institutions known to man. Just about every society engaged in it in one form or another. The same with cannibalism. Some decided it wasn't civilized to engage in such practices and some too longer to come to that conclusion, some still haven't. So what?

Do you really think slavery is dead? Just look at your monthly bills, your mortgage payments. Slavery is alive and well in the world, even yours.
 

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Slavery is one of the oldest institutions known to man. Just about every society engaged in it in one form or another. The same with cannibalism. Some decided it wasn't civilized to engage in such practices and some too longer to come to that conclusion, some still haven't. So what?

.. And so, if the 'natural order' is founded on the notion that the strong survive and/or dominate the weak; why is it wrong for one culture (or demographic in society) to apply that premise but OK for others?

Do you really think slavery is dead? Just look at your monthly bills, your mortgage payments. Slavery is alive and well in the world, even yours.

I can opt-out of this cycle voluntarily.... By definition, I am not a slave.
 

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Slavery is one of the oldest institutions known to man. Just about every society engaged in it in one form or another. The same with cannibalism. Some decided it wasn't civilized to engage in such practices and some too longer to come to that conclusion, some still haven't. So what?

Do you really think slavery is dead? Just look at your monthly bills, your mortgage payments. Slavery is alive and well in the world, even yours.

And the philosophy that had most to do with the elimination of both practices was.......Christianity.
 

YukonJack

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Slavery is one of the oldest institutions known to man. Just about every society engaged in it in one form or another. The same with cannibalism. Some decided it wasn't civilized to engage in such practices and some too longer to come to that conclusion, some still haven't. So what?

Do you really think slavery is dead? Just look at your monthly bills, your mortgage payments. Slavery is alive and well in the world, even yours.

When you enter a contract, it is NOT slavery.

But it is a 'brilliant' left-wing/anarchist talking point.