A few more ideas on how to make Canada a greater nation
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First of all we as a nation really need to take stock of ourselves from different points of view.
We need not worry about taxing the rich or alienating the poor or concentrating on housing
or the mentally ill. No we need to discuss these issues in one enormous plan.
For example we have more resources than anyone on the planet and we have more room.
The oil companies spend billions on exploration for example and they need to make a profit.
Why you ask? Not just for the wealthy but for all those who have a mutual fund. If we do
strangle the corporations we destroy our own retirement plan in the long run.
Now reverse that. If we take more money out of this industry for example we mus ensure the
use for that money is spent wisely. What to do?
First instead of spreading it around just to cover the basis we would in fact train young people
so they could do the jobs required by the companies that would employ them it would benefit
as an investment in education and provide trained workers lowering the costs of the company
for training.
Yes we would look after the mentally ill and those who cannot work for legitimate reasons and
concentrate less on those who just don't want to work. We could actually provide more assistance
to those who deserve it if we cut back on the people who don't. Anyone who refuses an educational
training opportunity should be cut off welfare and EI.
Now from there we would view training as an option and help the less fortunate get the training they
need. After they had a certificate there is no need for further assistance as they have a training.
Society benefits with a trained workforce and companies benefit from trained worker. People making
higher incomes contribute more in taxes which means governments can actually afford the programs
we have now and we can use the higher income for government to cut the debt.
This is only one example, but Na, they wouldn't do that there is no political advantage to fixing it
they want to debate all these things to death. In short if we all did and thought about what is best for
this country there are all kinds of things we could do. We would rather wait until there are no other
options and then discuss doing the right thing. It is sad isn't it that we can't see the forest for the trees
We need not worry about taxing the rich or alienating the poor or concentrating on housing
or the mentally ill. No we need to discuss these issues in one enormous plan.
For example we have more resources than anyone on the planet and we have more room.
The oil companies spend billions on exploration for example and they need to make a profit.
Why you ask? Not just for the wealthy but for all those who have a mutual fund. If we do
strangle the corporations we destroy our own retirement plan in the long run.
Now reverse that. If we take more money out of this industry for example we mus ensure the
use for that money is spent wisely. What to do?
First instead of spreading it around just to cover the basis we would in fact train young people
so they could do the jobs required by the companies that would employ them it would benefit
as an investment in education and provide trained workers lowering the costs of the company
for training.
Yes we would look after the mentally ill and those who cannot work for legitimate reasons and
concentrate less on those who just don't want to work. We could actually provide more assistance
to those who deserve it if we cut back on the people who don't. Anyone who refuses an educational
training opportunity should be cut off welfare and EI.
Now from there we would view training as an option and help the less fortunate get the training they
need. After they had a certificate there is no need for further assistance as they have a training.
Society benefits with a trained workforce and companies benefit from trained worker. People making
higher incomes contribute more in taxes which means governments can actually afford the programs
we have now and we can use the higher income for government to cut the debt.
This is only one example, but Na, they wouldn't do that there is no political advantage to fixing it
they want to debate all these things to death. In short if we all did and thought about what is best for
this country there are all kinds of things we could do. We would rather wait until there are no other
options and then discuss doing the right thing. It is sad isn't it that we can't see the forest for the trees
Look after themselves. Let charities look after them...you really need to pick a position.
The social services system needs you Angstrom. Theyve been struggling to explain to their brain damaged, schizophrenic, clinically depressed,drug addicted, abused clients, that they simply need to care for themselves. If you could just go get it through their heads, society would be oh so grateful. The simplicity of it has obviously escaped them.
You cant compare the disadvantaged. Down's syndrome patients for example, are diligent, friendly workers. Hire a schizophrenic and it's not the same thing. Or someone with bipolar disorder.
There are plenty of programs that give a hand up....teach people to hold a job and live independently. Social servi es isnt exclusively about handouts. But, some people fall through the gaps.
Relying on the whims of charitable donations is unsufficient. These people need care even when society is not in a charitable mood.
What! Just teach him to fish, he will need worms and rod with reel or a trawler and packing plants. You are a socialist leftypinkoredcommie.
The job of the poor is to make the rest of us feel good.
Give a man a fish. feed him for one day. And he comes to see you tomorrow
Teach a man to fish, feed him for his whole life.
Teach a man how to fish and he will spend his days in a boat drinking beer.
Charity's/church could take care of him if he has no one that cares for him.
Charities have been notoriously inefficient with something like only 10% of their revenue going to charity. But their CEOs make a killing.
Teach a man to fish, feed him for his whole life.
Teach a man how to fish and he will spend his days in a boat drinking beer.
Charity's/church could take care of him if he has no one that cares for him.
Charities have been notoriously inefficient with something like only 10% of their revenue going to charity. But their CEOs make a killing.
He has... And out of curiosity, are you suggesting that every single homeless person is handicapped to the extent that they need round the clock attention?
If not, you're only offering a broad generalization that is in no way applicable to the situation that is faced today.
My really really really hot coke/morphine/methdone needle junkie on house arrest sis-in-law is up for grabs. Any takers?
What! Just teach him to fish, he will need worms and rod with reel or a trawler and packing plants. You are a socialist leftypinkoredcommie.
The job of the poor is to make the rest of us feel good.
I have a question for ya.. What was the fate of the handicapped say 30 or 40 years ago?.. I don't seem to recall that there was a very significant program in place to care for them from cradle to grave.
Have we basically just discovered this condition, or were there far less handicapped people back then?
CEO of a Church?.. Good one.
Lemme ask you, if you eliminated the Church's charitable programs, who would fill in?... You?
Yeah, I didn't think so
My aunt was born brain damaged 50 years ago. She was put in a home for the retarded, not because my grandparents werent willing to raise and care for her, but because the government atnthe time felt it could do a better job than parents, by warehousing them. Then she went on to a government program designed to teach her to hold a job and live on her own. Those programs are not new. Social workers are not new. There has always been an attempt to deal with people who needed help.
No he hasn't
No
You are wrong. I'm offering a rebuttal to broad generalizations of homeless people.
CEO, Priest, Bishop, Pope, Minister... what's the difference. There is no accounting going on that measures how much churches put into charity. The vast holdings of the Catholic church alone could feed the world's hungry. Eliminate war and everybody could live in style.
I am glad you brought this up. I've highlighted what I feel is an important difference between then and now.
The highlighted sentiment doesn't exist today in any form that it did 50 years ago.
... Community leader, politician, tribal elder, private citizen... Yeah what's the difference.
Do you pay them?.. Since when do they owe you any accounting?
Let's sell BC instead.... We can also feed the world's hungry on that too?
You game?
I know plenty of troubled peole whose families are more than willing to raise and care for them, handicapped, mentally ill, drugaddicted, or otherwise.
Since the people making the donation write it off on their taxes. Just like union members remember? Or do you have a double standard?