A few more ideas on how to make Canada a greater nation

[captain morgan]

I'm not sure what that has to do with helping people get a roof over their head if they can't find one.

It has to do with solving the problem as opposed to applying perpetual bandages that never address the root cause. Fact is: You can expand the welfare system all you want; all it will result in is the need to expand it further.

As per my statement earlier that the DSM book of mental health conditions does NOT include an idea of what 'normalcy' actually is; it's fair to say that everyone walking the Earth has a mental health issue.

This being the case, at what point are we expected to take responsibility for ourselves and what point is that person (or 'we' according to DSM) a ward of the state?

You wanna advocate for the state to take control - then don't bitch about the quality of options (or lack thereof) that are offered.

 

[Cannuck]

It has to do with solving the problem as opposed to applying perpetual bandages that never address the root cause. Fact is: You can expand the welfare system all you want; all it will result in is the need to expand it further.

I understand the gist of your point but, since you initially responded to my comment "As a civil society, we should also help people that can't find housing", and this has really nothing to do with that statement, I'm not really sure what your point is. If you disagree that a civilized society should work towards putting roofs over everybody's head (that needs one), you should just say so.

 

[petros]

There is housing for crazies but they aren't too good at paying rent because they are crazy. If more was put into treatment, there would be less crazies blowing their rent money.

 

[Angstrom]

Why the hell do we always have to help everyone?
People need to help themselves!!!

 

[Cannuck]

Why the hell do we always have to help everyone?

We don't "need" to help anybody. Caring, civilized people usually try to help people that require it.

 

[Angstrom]

We don't "need" to help anybody. Caring, civilized people usually try to help people that require it.

You can't help people that don't want to help themselves.

We wasting time and money..
Tough love is the best love.

We got to this point with natural selection and survival of the fit.

If you care and are civilized go out and help people on your own time, with your own money.
Leave government out of it.

 

[Cannuck]

You can't help people that don't want to help themselves.

That would depend on why they don't want to help themselves.

We got to this point with natural selection and survival of the fit.

If you care and are civilized go out and help people on your time, with your money.

I take it you are in favor of euthanizing children that are born with handicaps. There's one in every crowd.

 

[petros]

Why the hell do we always have to help everyone?
People need to help themselves!!!

If somebody with wicked arthritis and NEEDS a cane, do you just toss them a piece of wood and carving knife and say "here you go, happy travels"?

That is essentially how mental health treatment works in Canada.

 

[captain morgan]

I understand the gist of your point but, since you initially responded to my comment "As a civil society, we should also help people that can't find housing", and this has really nothing to do with that statement, I'm not really sure what your point is. If you disagree that a civilized society should work towards putting roofs over everybody's head (that needs one), you should just say so.

A 'civil society' will also work to solve the issues that plague it's people and that statement has everything to do with the initial comment that you made. A superficial application of band-aid after band-aid will simply prolong the stress and agony.... Hand-outs do not solve a thing; it's the hand-ups that develop into long term solutions... That said, this is the goal of a 'civil society'... Anything else is just sweeping the problem under the carpet and out of sight

Lastly, yes, there needs to be a humanitarian and non-obligatory offering made by society as a whole to those that need the assistance; however, that offering is not perpetual in terms of the recipient's long-term needs (excepting those with severe issues).

 

[Angstrom]

I take it you are in favor of euthanizing children that are born with handicaps. There's one in every crowd.

No....
If they want to help themselves and strive to become productive and independent.
You have to give them the chance...

We have one mentally handicapped young man working at the McDonald close to my house.
He works 10 times harder then all the other kids in that place....

He Helps himself.

 

[petros]

We have one mentally handicapped young man working at the McDonald close to my house.
He works 10 times harder then all the other kids in that place....

He Helps himself.

Mentally disabled and having a debilitating mental health disorder are like night and day.

 

[Cannuck]

No....
If they want to help themselves and strive to become productive and independent.
You have to give them the chance...

We have one mentally handicapped young man working at the McDonald close to my house.
He works 10 times harder then all the other kids in that place....

He Helps himself.

I'm happy for him. Do you believe that..

A - He has not received any assistance in his life.

and

B - There are others more severely handicapped than he is

 

[Angstrom]

Mentally disabled and having a debilitating mental health disorder are like night and day.

Yes. Those people will need help.

 

[Cannuck]

Yes. Those people will need help.

We got to this point with natural selection and survival of the fit.

If you care and are civilized go out and help people on your own time, with your own money.
Leave government out of it.

You should pick one side of the fence and stick to it.

 

[Angstrom]

You should pick one side of the fence and stick to it.

Picking a side and sticking with it, would not solve the problem we face.

Give a man a fish. feed him for one day. And he comes back tomorrow
Teach a man to fish, feed him for his whole life.

I want to help people in a way that will not make them dependent of that help.
Help people to help themself

 

[Cannuck]

Picking a side and sticking with it, would not solve the problem we face.

Give a man a fish. feed him for one day. And he comes to see you tomorrow
Teach a man to fish, feed him for his whole life.

I want to help people in a way that will not make them dependent of that help.
Help people to help themself

Some people are either unable to learn or unable to fish. In your words, "We got to this point with natural selection and survival of the fit." What should we do with people that are unable to help themselves, let natural selection take its course?

 

[Angstrom]

Some people are either unable to learn or unable to fish. In your words, "We got to this point with natural selection and survival of the fit." What should we do with people that are unable to help themselves, let natural selection take its course?

Well, if I had someone in my family that was disabled, I would take care of them.
Is that what you want to know?

I don't think government should take care of him.

Charity's/church could take care of him if he has no one that cares for him.

 

[Cannuck]

Well, if I had someone in my family that was disabled, I would take care of them.
Is that what you want to know?

That's an easy thing to say. It's another thing to do it. Some disabilities require full time care.

 

[Angstrom]

That's an easy thing to say. It's another thing to do it. Some disabilities require full time care.

That's what Charity is for. Give lots, give often.

 

[Cannuck]

Why the hell do we always have to help everyone?
People need to help themselves!!!

That's what Charity is for. Give lots, give often.

You really need to pick a position and stick with it. Do people need to help themselves or don't they?