I'm remembering a story where ole Columbutt offered a reward to any member of the crew who spotted land first. When one of the crew members spotted land ,,The good captain did an about face and claimed the prize for himself. Yeah he was known as being a jerk.
9 cities abolish Columbus Day in favor Indigenous Peoples’ Day
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A lot of our hero's ain't hero's anymore. Makes you wonder why our school history text books never mention certain details.
I'm going to steal a word from selfie's limited diction and say, "idolatry".
Tissue?
Yeah we do create our hero's. Putting humans on a pedestal usually builds us up to a let down that's for sure.
Is that the one that goes, "please mr custer, I don't wanna go. There's an injun out there he's a waitin for muh hair, Please mr custer. I don't wanna go."
Oh NO!!! Did I dis one of your heroes? Remember dear boy, everybody is an assh0le to somebody.
This is Cliffy........
Do you read much history? I only ask because Columbus was only one in a very long, long line.
We talk about how great Genghis Khan and his empire was, despite the fact he and his Mongols slaughtered countless people and completely wiped out a culture or two. Yet Khan is considered to be a great man because of the empire he built.
It's been no different throughout history, whether it was the Egyptians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, etc. But the moment we talk of European expansion and conquest and empire, suddenly we look at it through modern day eyes with a 21st century mindset and judge it accordingly.
You can't reasonably judge Columbus when you are 500+ years removed from the event. Different times, different attitudes, different mores.
Having said all that, I have no idea why Columbus gets credit for discovering the Americas when it was Bronze Age Britons( Fishermen from England's south-west most likely) that were the first Europeans to "discover" the Americas some 400-600 years before the Vikings, who were about 500 years ahead of Columbus.
This is great news.
It's nice to see people finally adopting the right social values rather than get caught up in distractions like the economy.
It's nice to see people finally adopting the right social values rather than get caught up in distractions like the economy.
The Chinese were here before them and the Polynesians before them. Yes I read a lot of history. We were talking about why in hell are the Yanks celebrating Columbus day. He was a mass murderer and he didn't start any empires.
The economy is a distraction. It is based on dept, has no real value and enslaves the working class through tax and dept. It needs to be replaced with something that has value and is not open to the rampant greed and corruption of the present system. Does that satisfy your need for relevant dialogue?
Uh huh, but being that the US was primarily derived from European stock, it's unlikely they'd be celebrating Chinese or Polynesian discoveries. That's why I qualified my statement by saying that Columbus wasn't the first European to "discover" the Americas.
Columbus acted on behalf of Spain. Spain's empire included holdings in the New World that he had "recently discovered". Although one could just as easily argue it was the Catholic Church's empire.
I contend that when the Roman Empire was self destructing, it consolidated its holdings and became the Catholic Church, so yes, it was part of the Church's Empire, just like most of the European conquests around the globe.
That was well into the Iron Age.
Many, possibly most, historians accept that St. Brendan's Navigatio is essentially accurate.