On the 911 debunker site they (whoever he is) is now under the theory that the molten iron recovered after some weeks was 'melted' by friction during the fall.
The site even has the math to go along with it but what is the exact part that subtracts the energy needed to pulverize all the concrete from what was available to 'melt steel'.
Perhaps Dex would like to review the theory about steam and iron being able to combine to melt steel. It seems a little far fetched when they are more reasonable answers available. The part I stalled at was where the 700degC temps, to begin a process, originated from. Like the explanation below that needs
Abbreviations: gigaJoules (gJ) = 1,000 megaJoules (MJ). To heat steel to the melting point requires about 0.68 gJ of heat to be added for each tonne (metric ton) of steel. Enough more heat has to be added to melt it. Total is about 1 gJ/tonne. All we require is enough heat to obtain yellow hot steel, approximately 0.6 gJ/tonne. However, for simplicity and to allow for losses, assume 1 gJ/tonne of yellow hot steel in the basement(s) of WTC 1 & 2(?).
This could easily be supplied by a pressure pulse down the box columns as each floor is stripped off.
Again, for simplicity of analysis, assume 100 floors each supplied the same sized pulse of energy down the box column. Then each floor supplied 10 MJ. Calculations shows that this amount of energy, distributed over the horizontal area of the box columns, only provides a small fraction of the pressure required to cause structural steel to yield. So ignoring the top 10 floors to allow a further 10% loss in energy transfer, all that is required to obtain yellow hot steel in the basements is the modest contribution of 10 MJ per floor per tonne of yellow hot steel.
Pressure calculations: Above I determined that each floor needed to deliver 10 MJ of energy down the box column to the bottom in order to supply more than sufficient heat to cause a tonne of steel to become yellow hot. Here we need to assure ourselves that this energy delivery does not stress the box column into yielding. Now just yielding is not failure, but might be noticed in a post-collapse inspection of box columns. From wikipedia, structural steel has a yield strength of 400 MPa and an ultimate strength of 650 MPa.
Patent involving the process, without "molten" iron:
"The generation of hydrogen by passing steam at or about 700.degree. C. over a bed of iron is well known in the art."
"a hydrogen-generating process wherein H.sub.2 O is passed over a bed of iron material. The hydrogen generating process uses a catalyst, or freshly-ground iron material, or both, and generates the hydrogen for the fuel cell in situ at lower-than-normal temperatures when the H.sub.2 O reacts with the iron material." Fuel cell using an aqueous hydrogen-generating process - Patent 6093501
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
When I mention the story about the 2 bulldozers side by side and saw the hardened steel from the blades where they were rubbing together melting it's obvious that it only takes friction to turn metal into molten slag.
Hardened steel is a lot tougher then concrete.
By 'you guys' I have to assume it means anybody who ever stuck their hand up more than once or twice in their lifetime. Think how much shorter the thread would be without the troll posts, like yours
If I was to argue for extra-heat I would have to go with the steel columns that are u-shaped with no obvious cracking on the outer bend nor 'crinkles' on the inner portion. Only two methods can achieve that brute force applied in one quick stroke or heating and a lower and slower force. Any steel that has been heated and bent will rust much faster than steel that has been 'protected by primer' and then bent. No explosions, just a fizzle that causes lots of heat to be absorbed by the steel, then a few loud bangs as a few collapsed before total failure.
In the 'molten aluminum' corner the color of the smoke just above the 'spill and around the corner' you have white smoke, shouldn't and 'orangish flame' produce something with a tad more unburned carbon particles that what is essentiall 'ash' in vapor form?
How silly of me to ask a question to this boat-loard of dorks. lol
The molten aluminum came from an office loaded with the UPS power supply,all covered extensively on the debunker website.