7 Ways to Save the World

[globegenius]

I did think about it. We worry too much about everything. Humans have been on earth a short period of time. The earth is billions of years old. Mother earth will look after it self. We will get smacked by a big asteriod or a bug will wipe out 99% of the population. Don't keep all your eggs in one basket. We should continue the quest to find another planet to populate. Keeping the human race strickly on one planet sets us up for extinction just like the dinosaurs.

 

[AnnaG]

I did think about it. We worry too much about everything. Humans have been on earth a short period of time. The earth is billions of years old. Mother earth will look after it self. We will get smacked by a big asteriod or a bug will wipe out 99% of the population. Don't keep all your eggs in one basket. We should continue the quest to find another planet to populate. Keeping the human race strickly on one planet sets us up for extinction just like the dinosaurs.

"Those who cannot learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them" George Santayana.

Screw up one planet and then move onto another? That's pretty lame; lacking initiative, imagination, and responsibility. We really would be no better than parasites then.

I think it'd be much better to be responsible before infecting another planet. And I'd rather be part of a society that was attempting to correct its failings than one that carries on blindly repeating the same errors.

 

[globegenius]

Its already too late to save this one. The rest of the world wants what we have in the west. The world will be exploited to make all the stuff they want. We are parasites. How can we tell the undevolped countries they are not allowed to have what we have? I'm being realistic and not living in a dream. You can call that lame if you want. Best find another planet we can start over on and maybe do it right this time. Hopefully we can implement what we have learned. This forum is for debate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[AnnaG]

Its already too late to save this one.

That's a matter of opinion.

The rest of the world wants what we have in the west.

I'd say some of it does. Other parts of it would prefer not to emulate the west.

The world will be exploited to make all the stuff they want. We are parasites.

So far, this is indicated. We have the potential to be better than that though. It's too bad you can't see that.

How can we tell the undevolped countries they are not allowed to have what we have?

China knows what the west has been like and is slowly changing for the better, China could easily have (and in some ways is avoiding) avoided all the crap that the west went through to get where it is now by developing smarter than we did. It's called learning from the mistakes of others.

I'm being realistic and not living in a dream.

No you are simply being defeatist.

You can call that lame if you want.

Because being defeatist is lame.Best find another planet we can start over on and maybe do it right this time.

Wrong. We still have too much of the use-it-and-throw-it-away, bigger-is-better, more-is-better attitude. Very little will change except our technologies.

Hopefully we can implement what we have learned.

We aren't that far advanced yet. There are still too many that just don't give a damn, those that only give a damn about the own little worlds and screw the other guy, etc.

This forum is for debate.

.... among other things.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

You think?

 

[globegenius]

I just tell it like it is. No one said you had to like it. I'm a realist not defeated.
Potential is like the "if" word. You sound like you know what everyone thinks.
Now that is truelly being self centered. You state that very little will change except our technology. There you go. You have just agreed with me.

 

[Mowich]

I think not;773709]I couldn't agree more with you on this one #juan. Three car leases back to back have been an SUV. I won't lie, I like the way an SUV drives and I feel alot safer. My current lease expires next month. I am seriously considering a hybrid vehicle OR an E85. We have enough stations, one right by my house that has E85 fuel. The hybrid does cost more, usually $6,000 more than a regular gas guzzler.

In the Solar Power thread I had mentioned (as did you) that making a few changes goes a long way.

Problem is, how do we inform/convince a population?

Just by posting here you are spreading the word, and I thank you. Remember it all starts with one person, who tells another person, and so on and so on. Keep up the good work, ITK. :smile:

 

[AnnaG]

I just tell it like it is. No one said you had to like it. I'm a realist not defeated.

Nope. You just tell it from your narrow little viewpoint.
And I said "defeatIST", not "defeated". There's a huge difference to literate people.

Potential is like the "if" word.

Yes it is. IF we use our potential we can do an awful lot. If we just accept that we can't be better than we are, we never will be.

You sound like you know what everyone thinks.
Now that is truelly being self centered.

*shrugs* That's only your opinion.

You state that very little will change except our technology. There you go. You have just agreed with me.

That's a pretty poor job of putting spin on what I was saying, but I am not surprised. Comments like yours are founded in ignorance. What I was saying is that if all settle for being is parasites, then nothing will change except technology. You were hardly saying that. So no, we don't agree.

Here's a bit of my opinion, you have extremely little to contribute to discussion.

And, BTW, if you think finding another planet that would support our form of life would be easy, you really are ignorant of the technology we have. The nearest solar system is Alpha Centauri. It is 4¼ lightyears from Earth. A lightyear is the distance it takes light to travel in a year. And the speed of light is 299,800 km per second. That's 945,939,060,000,000 km per year. multiply that by 4.25 times and you have the distance it is to the nearest solar system. What happens if there isn't an inhabitable planet there? The next nearest solar system is Barnard's and that is 6 light years away. Our fastest travel rate through space is about 58,000 km per hour (508,428,000 km per year. Humans would never make it. So we had better learn how to treat our planet decently or we die.

 

[AnnaG]

7 ways to save the planet? Why not make it 8; limit population growth.

 

[Bar Sinister]

7 ways to save the planet? Why not make it 8; limit population growth.

Fortunately, this appears to be happening; and happening so rapidly that many nations have now reversed their population control policies.

United Nations Warns About Declining Populations

 

[petros]

Would you buy a carrot that was grown on the roof of your local Superstore versus one grown in Tecate?

 

[globegenius]

Nope. You just tell it from your narrow little viewpoint.
And I said "defeatIST", not "defeated". There's a huge difference to literate people.
Yes it is. IF we use our potential we can do an awful lot. If we just accept that we can't be better than we are, we never will be. *shrugs* That's only your opinion. That's a pretty poor job of putting spin on what I was saying, but I am not surprised. Comments like yours are founded in ignorance. What I was saying is that if all settle for being is parasites, then nothing will change except technology. You were hardly saying that. So no, we don't agree.

Here's a bit of my opinion, you have extremely little to contribute to discussion.

And, BTW, if you think finding another planet that would support our form of life would be easy, you really are ignorant of the technology we have. The nearest solar system is Alpha Centauri. It is 4¼ lightyears from Earth. A lightyear is the distance it takes light to travel in a year. And the speed of light is 299,800 km per second. That's 945,939,060,000,000 km per year. multiply that by 4.25 times and you have the distance it is to the nearest solar system. What happens if there isn't an inhabitable planet there? The next nearest solar system is Barnard's and that is 6 light years away. Our fastest travel rate through space is about 58,000 km per hour (508,428,000 km per year. Humans would never make it. So we had better learn how to treat our planet decently or we die.

I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. I did not ask for your attack on my post. If you are so smart then tell us how to save the world? If technolgy advances we could live on planets that have a harsher climate than ours. Like mars or others that are not out of reach. About the only thing I see smart about you is your mouth. [ my opinion only of course ]
The Chinese are planning a moon base already in the next few years. If any one is ignorant here, then its you. Read the news and be informed. Or do you just post BS on forums all day? No meaness intended. I love a good debate. Perhaps someone will come along that has something intelligent to add to the dicussion instead of attacking people's posts.
Just because someone uses proper grammer all the time does not make them Enstein. Just shows they spent too much time in school and have no grasp of the real world. I'ld be surprised if you have even left our countries borders.

 

[Bar Sinister]

7 ways to save the planet? Why not make it 8; limit population growth.

It seems that population growth as a problem may no longer exist. As a matter of fact given the fact that the replacement rate in many countries is now below two, it may be necessary to encourage people to have more children. Unless, of course, the ultimate goal is to eventually reduce the world's population.

 

[Cliffy]

It seems that population growth as a problem may no longer exist. As a matter of fact given the fact that the replacement rate in many countries is now below two, it may be necessary to encourage people to have more children. Unless, of course, the ultimate goal is to eventually reduce the world's population.

The Earth cannot support the population level we have now. If the rest of the world reached the level of consumption as the West, we would run out of water and other resources in short order. Hell , if just China reached our level, this planet would be uninhabitable in less than 50 years. We need low tech solutions to our problems and we do need to figure out how to live in harmony with the planet. If we can't take care of what we have, we have no business occupying others.

 

[AnnaG]

I'm entitled to my opinion like everyone else. I did not ask for your attack on my post.

*shrugs* If you post here, you open your opinion to attack.

If you are so smart then tell us how to save the world?

That's what this thread is about and I agree with the original poster, but added that we should limit our population. But, I guess you missed that or didn't understand.

If technolgy advances we could live on planets that have a harsher climate than ours.

Now look who is bring up the "IF" word. lmao It'll be an awfully long time before humans ever reach another solar system, let alone go checking each one to see if there's any that are inhabitable.

Like mars or others that are not out of reach. About the only thing I see smart about you is your mouth. [ my opinion only of course ]

No worries. I haven't even seen that from you.
You want to check and see how well Mars would treat humans, look here:
Colonization of Mars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For one thing, the difference in gravity alone would probably be a source for all kinds of medical problems. You mnot think I am very smart and you may be right, but I am definitely not as ignorant of science as you seem to be.

The Chinese are planning a moon base already in the next few years. If any one is ignorant here, then its you. Read the news and be informed. Or do you just post BS on forums all day? No meaness intended. I love a good debate. Perhaps someone will come along that has something intelligent to add to the dicussion instead of attacking people's posts.

roflmao Like I said, if you post in CanCom, your opening yourself to people disagreeing with you and then attacking what you post about. And, BTW, I attacked what you said, I did not attack you. Attacking posters here instead of their posts can cause the mods to give you a holiday away from CanCon. So you might want to stop the ad hominems and discuss the topic rather than your opinion of me.

Just because someone uses proper grammer all the time does not make them Enstein.

Who gives a crap about grammar as long as what's posted is understood?
Right, I am not Einstein. I'm not that old and I have nicer hair.

Just shows they spent too much time in school and have no grasp of the real world. I'ld be surprised if you have even left our countries borders.

I don't care what you'd be surprised about.
But, I have been as far east as Ireland, as far south as Belize, and as far west as Hawaii. I've seen how the rich live up close, and I have seen poverty up close. I also have a bachelor's degree in anthropology. What are your qualifications for posting?

 

[AnnaG]

It seems that population growth as a problem may no longer exist. As a matter of fact given the fact that the replacement rate in many countries is now below two, it may be necessary to encourage people to have more children. Unless, of course, the ultimate goal is to eventually reduce the world's population.

I think it's pretty obvious that 6⅔ billion humans is unsustainable.

 

[petros]

I think it's pretty obvious that 6⅔ billion humans is unsustainable.

Not if we eat bugs or our dead.

 

[AnnaG]

Not if we eat bugs or our dead.

People do eat bugs. I'm not sure if people quit eating people or not, though. I heard we ain't all that tasty.

 

[Cliffy]

Not if we eat bugs or our dead.

Soilent Green! I hear people taste like chicken.

 

[Tonington]

Soilent Green! I hear people taste like chicken.

Only if it's free range and grain fed.

 

[AnnaG]

Only if it's free range and grain fed.

I think I'd want the ones that live and eat in seawater.