58 dead in Gaza
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Israel defends its borders.
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We will finally have Peace when it's all white.
Dear Dimwit,
Please excuse the greenie. It was awarded by accident. Mind you, I am much more apt to give greenies than red, as I prefer throwing rose petals over throwing muck. But, this one was in error.
This little note is just meant for one purpose, to point out something that is really quite simple, like yourself.
When I bring up Nazis, I am talking about Nazis, you know......real ones. Admirers of Adolph, haters of Jews.
When you or your idiot buddy bring up Nazis, you could be talking about anyone......conservatives, classical liberals, believers in free speech, gun owners, etc etc etc.
Now, I do recognize that your limited cognitive abilities do not allow you to differentiate, so I thought I would provide you this small bit of guidannce.
You're welcome.
Yours Sincerely, Colpy
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What the fǜck are you droning on about? UNSCOP? All Arab countries boycotted that shít. After all, who gave those pieces of shít the authority to give away Palestinian lands?
Every day we have posts made by right wingers on this forum in which they say everybody has a right to keep and bear arms in order to protect themselves from tyrannical government. We all know that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Therefore, it logically follows that if people have unlimited rights to arms in the USA then people overseas should have that same fǜckin right.
What a great irony it would be if Americans somehow reserve gun rights exclusively for themselves but deny that right to others. It would invalidate everything they stand for.
So let's hear it forum right wingers -- LET'S SEE YOU DEMAND THAT PALESTINIANS BE FULLY ARMED with every manner of weaponry I mentioned before. This would validate what you have stood for all this time. Your failure to endorse the idea hereby permanently and unalterably invalidates it all.
Israel continues to use "International Law" as the pretense to defend themselves with live bullets on unarmed protesters and yet Israel refuses to adhere to International Law when it comes to the Occupation.
Since I was born after World War II (in 1948), I hold no sense of responsibility for what happened to the Jewish Folks and the holocaust. .... But, the holocaust against the Arabs and Palestinians carried out by Israel and its supporters happened during my lifetime and on "My Watch" so to speak, and I am quite dismayed.
For my complete lifetime, Jewish Folks have been entering courtrooms across the universe seeking compensation and the return of properties, artwork, and other valuables which were seized during Hitlers Reign.
I think that the Palestinian people deserve the same "Right-Of-Return" and the same sense of justice that the Jewish Folks have insisted upon within every courthouse in the land.
Never once did I ever hear a Jewish Person claim that the holocaust was too long ago, or the facts had changed on the ground as they made their compensation claims .... But that is what the Jewish Folks are telling the Palestinian People today.
As I mentioned, I am 70 years of age now and in no condition to lead a protest of any type. But if I was young again, this is what I would be promoting in support of the Palestinian cause.
The Americans view their forests and parklands as "Sacred Ground" in the same way that Palestinian's view their homeland.
The vast areas forests and Parklands are not only "Sacred" but a huge financial asset as well. Because of being so large in size, they are too large to protect against anybody with a book of matches.
If I were a Palestinian, I would quietly (not publically) approach the American negotiators and demand that Israel return to the Pre-1967 lines. And in no uncertain terms, tell the Americans that they have 12 months to complete the task presented. And, inform the negotiators that failure to do so will result in this threat being made public and the question asked "Is America ready to lose it's "Sacred Lands" for Israeli warfare?
I have little doubt that Americans would feel just as defenseless as the Palestinians do today as the bullets and bombs fly indiscriminately.
The forests and parklands are just too large and vast to even attempt to protect against such a threat.
I would think that with each fire which was caused by lightening strike alone would cause huge paranoia and consternation within the American government and bring them to the negotiating table in the morning.
Since I was born after World War II (in 1948), I hold no sense of responsibility for what happened to the Jewish Folks and the holocaust. .... But, the holocaust against the Arabs and Palestinians carried out by Israel and its supporters happened during my lifetime and on "My Watch" so to speak, and I am quite dismayed.
For my complete lifetime, Jewish Folks have been entering courtrooms across the universe seeking compensation and the return of properties, artwork, and other valuables which were seized during Hitlers Reign.
I think that the Palestinian people deserve the same "Right-Of-Return" and the same sense of justice that the Jewish Folks have insisted upon within every courthouse in the land.
Never once did I ever hear a Jewish Person claim that the holocaust was too long ago, or the facts had changed on the ground as they made their compensation claims .... But that is what the Jewish Folks are telling the Palestinian People today.
As I mentioned, I am 70 years of age now and in no condition to lead a protest of any type. But if I was young again, this is what I would be promoting in support of the Palestinian cause.
The Americans view their forests and parklands as "Sacred Ground" in the same way that Palestinian's view their homeland.
The vast areas forests and Parklands are not only "Sacred" but a huge financial asset as well. Because of being so large in size, they are too large to protect against anybody with a book of matches.
If I were a Palestinian, I would quietly (not publically) approach the American negotiators and demand that Israel return to the Pre-1967 lines. And in no uncertain terms, tell the Americans that they have 12 months to complete the task presented. And, inform the negotiators that failure to do so will result in this threat being made public and the question asked "Is America ready to lose it's "Sacred Lands" for Israeli warfare?
I have little doubt that Americans would feel just as defenseless as the Palestinians do today as the bullets and bombs fly indiscriminately.
The forests and parklands are just too large and vast to even attempt to protect against such a threat.
I would think that with each fire which was caused by lightening strike alone would cause huge paranoia and consternation within the American government and bring them to the negotiating table in the morning.
Gazans Have the Right to Invade Israel — At Least If You Believe One of Israel’s Justifications for the Six-Day War
By Jon Schwarz
May 16, 2018
https://theintercept.com/2018/05/16...of-israels-justifications-for-the-six-day-war
One of the key targets of the “Great March of Return” protests in Gaza, which began six weeks ago and culminated Tuesday, is Israel’s brutal, decade-long blockade of the small territory, which is about the size of Detroit. The siege has caused Gaza’s economy to shrink by one-half, and the United Nations has warned that it will soon render Gaza literally “uninhabitable.”
Gaza Could Become 'Uninhabitable' by 2020, U.N. Report Warns | Time
But there’s a stupendous historical irony to Israel’s manufactured outrage: Israel itself claimed that a far less stringent embargo by Egypt in 1967 was a legitimate casus belli for Israel to attack Egypt (which led to Israel seizing control of Gaza and eventually imposing the embargo on it).
Israel opened fire first during the Six-Day War on June 5, 1967, with an air and land attack on Egypt. But, Israel declared, Egypt had actually started the war several weeks before, when it blockaded the Straits of Tiran, which prevented Israel from shipping goods through the Red Sea.
But if it were legal for Israel to bomb and invade Egypt in 1967 and then occupy Palestinian land for decades, it logically follows that Palestinians in Gaza have had the right to attack and occupy Israel ever since the Israeli blockade began in 2007. Fair’s fair.
Israel’s 1967 legal stance can be found in a speech at the U.N. by the country’s then-Foreign Minister Abba Eban. Here’s the key paragraph:
"The blockade is by definition an act of war, imposed and enforced through armed violence. Never in history have blockade and peace existed side by side. From May 24 onward, the questions who started the war or who fired the first shot became momentously irrelevant. There is no difference in civil law between murdering a man by slow strangulation or killing him by a shot in the head. From the moment at which the blockade was imposed, active hostilities had commenced and Israel owed Egypt nothing of her Charter rights. If a foreign power sought to close Odessa or Copenhagen or Marseilles or New York harbor by the use of force, what would happen? Would there be a discussion about who had fired the first shot? Would anyone ask whether aggression had begun?"
https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2018/05/idfwebsite-1526398565.jpg
Israel initially struck Egypt in 1967, after troop mobilizations and ferocious rhetoric on both sides, plus Egypt’s blockade of the Straits of Tiran. But in reality, the Straits of Tiran issue had had little impact on Israel. Only 5 percent of its trade passed through the straits, and Israel remained free to ship whatever it wanted, including goods that usually passed through the Red Sea, through its ports on the Mediterranean.
https://books.google.com/books?id=w1...ade%22&f=false
Moreover, the embargo appears to have been enforced quite lackadaisically.
In fact, Eban’s heartfelt denunciation of blockades seems far more applicable to the Israeli blockade of Gaza.
By Jon Schwarz
May 16, 2018
https://theintercept.com/2018/05/16...of-israels-justifications-for-the-six-day-war
One of the key targets of the “Great March of Return” protests in Gaza, which began six weeks ago and culminated Tuesday, is Israel’s brutal, decade-long blockade of the small territory, which is about the size of Detroit. The siege has caused Gaza’s economy to shrink by one-half, and the United Nations has warned that it will soon render Gaza literally “uninhabitable.”
Gaza Could Become 'Uninhabitable' by 2020, U.N. Report Warns | Time
But there’s a stupendous historical irony to Israel’s manufactured outrage: Israel itself claimed that a far less stringent embargo by Egypt in 1967 was a legitimate casus belli for Israel to attack Egypt (which led to Israel seizing control of Gaza and eventually imposing the embargo on it).
Israel opened fire first during the Six-Day War on June 5, 1967, with an air and land attack on Egypt. But, Israel declared, Egypt had actually started the war several weeks before, when it blockaded the Straits of Tiran, which prevented Israel from shipping goods through the Red Sea.
But if it were legal for Israel to bomb and invade Egypt in 1967 and then occupy Palestinian land for decades, it logically follows that Palestinians in Gaza have had the right to attack and occupy Israel ever since the Israeli blockade began in 2007. Fair’s fair.
Israel’s 1967 legal stance can be found in a speech at the U.N. by the country’s then-Foreign Minister Abba Eban. Here’s the key paragraph:
"The blockade is by definition an act of war, imposed and enforced through armed violence. Never in history have blockade and peace existed side by side. From May 24 onward, the questions who started the war or who fired the first shot became momentously irrelevant. There is no difference in civil law between murdering a man by slow strangulation or killing him by a shot in the head. From the moment at which the blockade was imposed, active hostilities had commenced and Israel owed Egypt nothing of her Charter rights. If a foreign power sought to close Odessa or Copenhagen or Marseilles or New York harbor by the use of force, what would happen? Would there be a discussion about who had fired the first shot? Would anyone ask whether aggression had begun?"
https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2018/05/idfwebsite-1526398565.jpg
Israel initially struck Egypt in 1967, after troop mobilizations and ferocious rhetoric on both sides, plus Egypt’s blockade of the Straits of Tiran. But in reality, the Straits of Tiran issue had had little impact on Israel. Only 5 percent of its trade passed through the straits, and Israel remained free to ship whatever it wanted, including goods that usually passed through the Red Sea, through its ports on the Mediterranean.
https://books.google.com/books?id=w1...ade%22&f=false
Moreover, the embargo appears to have been enforced quite lackadaisically.
In fact, Eban’s heartfelt denunciation of blockades seems far more applicable to the Israeli blockade of Gaza.
Why not . It is up to the Palestinian’s to determine if they have guns or not . If they aim and fire those guns at or into Israel expect return fire . Is that a yes ?
Palestinians aren't pawns of Hamas. They want freedom, just like anyone else.
Palestinian American human-rights attorney Noura Erakat says protesters in Gaza aren't pawns of Hamas; they are struggling for the freedom all humans want.
Washington Post
By Noura Erakat
May 16, 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-have-no-choice-but-to-continue-the-struggle
(YouTube Video)
Palestinian American human-rights attorney Noura Erakat says protesters in Gaza aren't pawns of Hamas; they are struggling for the freedom all humans want.
Washington Post
By Noura Erakat
May 16, 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-have-no-choice-but-to-continue-the-struggle
(YouTube Video)
They may have the right to try. But Israel also has a right to repel any invaders.
Which is what they have done.
Then they should be eliminating Hamas instead of harrassing Israel.
If protesting outside the wall is an invasion then I guess the US should NUKE mexico then right?
Oh they don't have a wall yet do they?....
california too I suppose...it must be considered lost by now.
Lets ask an israeli!
If Israel’s African Refugees Are Anne Frank, Then Who Are the Nazis?
I am against deportation and consider Rabbi Susan Silverman a visionary leader. But her campaign to hide asylum seekers uses a dangerous analogy that will repel Israelis – the only people who can pressure their politicians for change
Inspired by Anne Frank, rabbis in Israel plan to hide African asylum seekers facing deportation
Wadjungah Mohammed is one African refugee Israel can't deport by force. He just killed himself
Amos Oz, David Grossman, Etgar Keret implore Netanyahu: Do not deport asylum seekers
Dozens of U.S. Jewish activists stage sit-in on Capitol Hill in protest of Trump's threat to deport Dreamers
Noah Efron Jan 20, 2018 12:31 AM Updated: 12:58 AM
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/if-...e-anne-frank-then-who-are-the-nazis-1.5747320
Israel’s Finance Minister Moshe Kahlon has reportedly taken steps to strip Amnesty International of its tax benefits in Israel, barring Israeli donors from receiving tax deductions from their donations to the international human rights organization owing to its calls to boycott Israel’s illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian territory, Israeli media reported on Saturday.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...ational-of-tax-benefits-over-support-for-bds/
there is your invasion eh?
Oh they don't have a wall yet do they?....
california too I suppose...it must be considered lost by now.
Lets ask an israeli!
If Israel’s African Refugees Are Anne Frank, Then Who Are the Nazis?
I am against deportation and consider Rabbi Susan Silverman a visionary leader. But her campaign to hide asylum seekers uses a dangerous analogy that will repel Israelis – the only people who can pressure their politicians for change
Inspired by Anne Frank, rabbis in Israel plan to hide African asylum seekers facing deportation
Wadjungah Mohammed is one African refugee Israel can't deport by force. He just killed himself
Amos Oz, David Grossman, Etgar Keret implore Netanyahu: Do not deport asylum seekers
Dozens of U.S. Jewish activists stage sit-in on Capitol Hill in protest of Trump's threat to deport Dreamers
Noah Efron Jan 20, 2018 12:31 AM Updated: 12:58 AM
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/if-...e-anne-frank-then-who-are-the-nazis-1.5747320
Israel’s Finance Minister Moshe Kahlon has reportedly taken steps to strip Amnesty International of its tax benefits in Israel, barring Israeli donors from receiving tax deductions from their donations to the international human rights organization owing to its calls to boycott Israel’s illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian territory, Israeli media reported on Saturday.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...ational-of-tax-benefits-over-support-for-bds/
there is your invasion eh?
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Satire ....
IDF Soldier Recounts Harrowing, Heroic War Story Of Killing 8-Month-Old Child
May 15, 2018
Describing the terrifying yet valiant experience to his fellow battalion members, Israel Defense Forces soldier Yossi Saadon recounted Tuesday his harrowing, heroic war story of killing an 8-month-old Palestinian child during a violent attack against protesters. “It was a heart-pounding experience—there was smoke and gunfire all around me, and I made a split-second decision to hurl that canister of tear gas at the encroaching infant cradled in her father’s arms,” said Saadon to the group of awed soldiers, describing the chills that went up and down his spine as he realized that all he had was his M16 assault rifle and some tear gas to defend himself against the unarmed Palestinian family standing only dozens of yards away. “I could see the whites of the baby’s eyes and hear her terrifying cries, and I knew it was either her or me. And this wasn’t some newborn infant, you know? This was a baby who could probably sit up independently. I was scared, but I acted quickly to throw that tear gas at her and her older sister. And who knows how many lives I saved when I shot the women trying to help her?” At press time, Saadon’s battalion commander informed him that he was submitting his name for the Medal of Valor, the IDF’s highest honor.
https://www.theonion.com/idf-soldier-recounts-harrowing-heroic-war-story-of-kil-1826048745
Teen On Birthright Trip Hadn’t Expected To See So Many Dead Palestinians
April 02, 2018
Saying they were pretty hard to miss during her two-week visit to Israel, teenager Sarah Caplan told reporters Monday that she hadn’t expected to see so many dead Palestinians on her Birthright trip. “My friend Kate who came over last year said she noticed a couple, but this is way more dead Palestinians than I ever imagined,” said Caplan, who explained that her tour group was prepared to see a few scattered bodies while driving around the country, but were completely caught off guard when they stumbled on entire groups of dead Palestinians near the Gaza border. “It was cool to see the Western Wall, and we all got to ride camels in the desert, but we still saw a couple bodies there, too. At first you think it’s just this one-time thing and you don’t worry about it, but pretty soon, you realize they are kind of everywhere. They didn’t really mention anything about this during the orientation.” Caplan was also surprised that there were so many people her age in the Israeli Defense Forces killing Palestinians.
https://www.theonion.com/teen-on-birthright-trip-hadn-t-expected-to-see-so-many-1824265633
Netanyahu Begins Calling For Israeli Return To Ancient Homeland Of Iran
May 10, 2018
Declaring that it was long past time for his people to live once again on their ancestral soil, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly began calling Thursday for the Israeli return to their ancient homeland of Iran. “The land of Iran has long been part of our heritage, and we implore the international community to work with us to ensure its return to the independent Jewish state,” said Netanyahu, adding that Israel was willing to use military force if necessary to reoccupy all 636,400 square miles of present-day Iran that were historically included in the promised land bestowed upon the Jewish people by biblical mandate. “The so-called Islamic cities of Tehran, Mashhad, Isfahan, and dozens of others were founded on what were once ancient Jewish kingdoms, not to mention how many of our most sacred sites Iran currently occupies, including the Imam Reza Holy Shrine, the Jamkaran Mosque, and the Zoroastrian Fire Temple of Chak-Chak. In fact, Iran is home to the highest concentration of Judaic ancient holy sites anywhere in the world outside of Mecca, Lumbini, and Vatican City. We demand that the Jewish people be permitted to return to ruling our ancestral Persian homelands.” At press time, Netanyahu had approved plans to begin construction on a large Israeli settlement in downtown Tehran.
https://www.theonion.com/netanyahu-begins-calling-for-israeli-return-to-ancient-1825925581
IDF Soldier Recounts Harrowing, Heroic War Story Of Killing 8-Month-Old Child
May 15, 2018
Describing the terrifying yet valiant experience to his fellow battalion members, Israel Defense Forces soldier Yossi Saadon recounted Tuesday his harrowing, heroic war story of killing an 8-month-old Palestinian child during a violent attack against protesters. “It was a heart-pounding experience—there was smoke and gunfire all around me, and I made a split-second decision to hurl that canister of tear gas at the encroaching infant cradled in her father’s arms,” said Saadon to the group of awed soldiers, describing the chills that went up and down his spine as he realized that all he had was his M16 assault rifle and some tear gas to defend himself against the unarmed Palestinian family standing only dozens of yards away. “I could see the whites of the baby’s eyes and hear her terrifying cries, and I knew it was either her or me. And this wasn’t some newborn infant, you know? This was a baby who could probably sit up independently. I was scared, but I acted quickly to throw that tear gas at her and her older sister. And who knows how many lives I saved when I shot the women trying to help her?” At press time, Saadon’s battalion commander informed him that he was submitting his name for the Medal of Valor, the IDF’s highest honor.
https://www.theonion.com/idf-soldier-recounts-harrowing-heroic-war-story-of-kil-1826048745
Teen On Birthright Trip Hadn’t Expected To See So Many Dead Palestinians
April 02, 2018
Saying they were pretty hard to miss during her two-week visit to Israel, teenager Sarah Caplan told reporters Monday that she hadn’t expected to see so many dead Palestinians on her Birthright trip. “My friend Kate who came over last year said she noticed a couple, but this is way more dead Palestinians than I ever imagined,” said Caplan, who explained that her tour group was prepared to see a few scattered bodies while driving around the country, but were completely caught off guard when they stumbled on entire groups of dead Palestinians near the Gaza border. “It was cool to see the Western Wall, and we all got to ride camels in the desert, but we still saw a couple bodies there, too. At first you think it’s just this one-time thing and you don’t worry about it, but pretty soon, you realize they are kind of everywhere. They didn’t really mention anything about this during the orientation.” Caplan was also surprised that there were so many people her age in the Israeli Defense Forces killing Palestinians.
https://www.theonion.com/teen-on-birthright-trip-hadn-t-expected-to-see-so-many-1824265633
Netanyahu Begins Calling For Israeli Return To Ancient Homeland Of Iran
May 10, 2018
Declaring that it was long past time for his people to live once again on their ancestral soil, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly began calling Thursday for the Israeli return to their ancient homeland of Iran. “The land of Iran has long been part of our heritage, and we implore the international community to work with us to ensure its return to the independent Jewish state,” said Netanyahu, adding that Israel was willing to use military force if necessary to reoccupy all 636,400 square miles of present-day Iran that were historically included in the promised land bestowed upon the Jewish people by biblical mandate. “The so-called Islamic cities of Tehran, Mashhad, Isfahan, and dozens of others were founded on what were once ancient Jewish kingdoms, not to mention how many of our most sacred sites Iran currently occupies, including the Imam Reza Holy Shrine, the Jamkaran Mosque, and the Zoroastrian Fire Temple of Chak-Chak. In fact, Iran is home to the highest concentration of Judaic ancient holy sites anywhere in the world outside of Mecca, Lumbini, and Vatican City. We demand that the Jewish people be permitted to return to ruling our ancestral Persian homelands.” At press time, Netanyahu had approved plans to begin construction on a large Israeli settlement in downtown Tehran.
https://www.theonion.com/netanyahu-begins-calling-for-israeli-return-to-ancient-1825925581