4 reasons why Bradley Manning deserves a medal

Cliffy

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Question to all.
I will use the qualifier "If" People in Afghanistan were identified from the leaks and murdered.Would Manning be complicit / accessory to their murder?
As to Mental Illness you would have to use the US Law - not Canadian Law regarding Insanity.
Would all the murder and mayhem be happening if we had not invaded? Are we complicit in every murder perpetrated by the taliban? Our being in Afghanistan is insanity of the first order by anybody's standards.
 

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Would all the murder and mayhem be happening if we had not invaded? Are we complicit in every murder perpetrated by the taliban? Our being in Afghanistan is insanity of the first order by anybody's standards.

For one who lives by Treaties refresh yourself on Article 11 of the NATO treaty. But till then answer the question.
 

ironsides

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So if you were to mislead to volunteer to go to a war, got there and you and all your buddies found absolutely nothing and you knew people were dying for no reason whatsoever over lies would your training fall apart? Would you follow your heart and do whatever you could to expose the truth even if it mean't spending the rest of your life chastized behind bars?

Now your getting a little ridiculous, no one is misled about going to war, you enlist, you are telling your country that you are ready to give your life for it. This is not child's play where you can change what you swore to do. You want to quit, there are procedures how to do it. As EagleSmack said, he willfully committed a crime. All his duties were explained to him before hand.
 

Cliffy

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For one who lives by Treaties refresh yourself on Article 11 of the NATO treaty. But till then answer the question.
I think it is a dumb question. Theoretically, we don't go onto reservations to bomb and slaughter the inhabitants. We do in Afghanistan, where we have no legitimate reason to be. Show me a treaty that the taliban broke that deserved invasion. Show me where it has been proven that the taliban had anything to do with 911. All they did was ask for proof that bin Laden had anything to do with 911, so we invaded. Tell me again how that is justified. In light of the crimes we (Nato and the US) commited in both Iraq and Afghanistan, your question is irrelevant. He should be a hero for trying to expose the truth of the insanity of US and NATO foreign policies.
 

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I think it is a dumb question. Theoretically, we don't go onto reservations to bomb and slaughter the inhabitants. We do in Afghanistan, where we have no legitimate reason to be. Show me a treaty that the taliban broke that deserved invasion. Show me where it has been proven that the taliban had anything to do with 911. All they did was ask for proof that bin Laden had anything to do with 911, so we invaded. Tell me again how that is justified. In light of the crimes we (Nato and the US) commited in both Iraq and Afghanistan, your question is irrelevant. He should be a hero for trying to expose the truth of the insanity of US and NATO foreign policies.

So it is a dumb question you should be quite at ease providing an answer. Just think if the invasion as you call it was right.
 

Cliffy

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Now your getting a little ridiculous, no one is misled about going to war, you enlist, you are telling your country that you are ready to give your life for it. This is not child's play where you can change what you swore to do. You want to quit, there are procedures how to do it. As EagleSmack said, he willfully committed a crime. All his duties were explained to him before hand.
How was the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan serving their country? Again I will say, that when you discover that you are just a mercinary for the military/industrial complex and not serving your country, as you were told, I think it is very justified to either escape or expose the lies.
 

ironsides

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How was the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan serving their country? Again I will say, that when you discover that you are just a mercinary for the military/industrial complex and not serving your country, as you were told, I think it is very justified to either escape or expose the lies.
Now your getting a little ridiculous also.
 

Cliffy

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Now your getting a little ridiculous also.
Invading countries and bombing the crap out of them is ridiculous. How is that serving anybody besides those who profit from it?

So it is a dumb question you should be quite at ease providing an answer. Just think if the invasion as you call it was right.
Well, it wasn't. And I said the question was dumb, not that you were but you insinuate that I am dumb.
 

ironsides

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Invading countries and bombing the crap out of them is ridiculous. How is that serving anybody besides those who profit from it?

If you do not like or want to join the military of your country, that is your right. Once you do enlist, you come under a whole set of new laws that you swear to uphold. I don't expect (to quote you) a admitted anarchist to understand that. (no insult intended) By the way, were almost broke so if someone profited from it, it wasn't us.
 

Cliffy

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If you do not like or want to join the military of your country, that is your right. Once you do enlist, you come under a whole set of new laws that you swear to uphold. I don't expect (to quote you) a admitted anarchist to understand that. (no insult intended) By the way, were almost broke so if someone profited from it, it wasn't us.
Many military/industrial corporations do. The country and its citizens always suffer.
 

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Whoever it was that found and released those documents to WikiLeaks is a hero in my book. That information blew the covers off a bunch of illegitimate activities the US government,the Congress and the military were up to. This told me just about the transparency we were promised by a Presidential candidate. "Change you can count on!"
I'm still waiting! Ahemmm.....Those claims of "harming US agents" was just window dressing in an attempt to vilify anyone involved. The US is still trying to sink the Assange operation and to date is clumsy about the attempts too. Julian Assange is another hero too.
 

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Whoever it was that found and released those documents to WikiLeaks is a hero in my book. That information blew the covers off a bunch of illegitimate activities the US government,the Congress and the military were up to. This told me just about the transparency we were promised by a Presidential candidate. "Change you can count on!"
I'm still waiting! Ahemmm.....Those claims of "harming US agents" was just window dressing in an attempt to vilify anyone involved. The US is still trying to sink the Assange operation and to date is clumsy about the attempts too. Julian Assange is another hero too.

You got an awful funny definition of hero. You look up to wife beaters and kid diddlers as well?
 

petros

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What's that on your boot?

This might come in handy.

 

mentalfloss

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So in this thread we learned he deserves to be shot or put in jail for life for releasing completely useless classified information. Knowing this fate, he was a selfish and gutless traitor.

And somehow I'm the dumb one in all of this, lol.

I rest my case.
 

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So in this thread we learned he deserves to be shot or put in jail for life for releasing completely useless classified information. Knowing this fate, he was a selfish and gutless traitor.

And somehow I'm the dumb one in all of this, lol.

I rest my case.

Jail for life... releasing classified info is a serious crime. Simple.

Yup and precident has been set by the Office of the President of the United States of America.

Espionage was created by the Executive Office or at least condoned? That is why Manning thought it was OK to do that?
 

mentalfloss

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Jail for life... releasing classified info is a serious crime. Simple.

Jail for life is not a guaranteed sentence for releasing classified information. And if it was, then guess what?

That would be stupid.

The quantum for any crime is also taken into consideration during a trial period in order to properly determine what sort of sentencing would be appropriate.

Believe it or not, if you rob a bank for $100 vs. $1 Billion, there is no guarantee that you will receive the same disciplinary action, just as if you would lightly tap a pedestrian with your car vs. deliberately making them a quadriplegic.
 
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