2053....not the year, the # of nuclear explosions

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People make mistakes all the time, the only thing stupid is your attitude... Tonnington isnt worried so why should you be? Flame bait much? And if iam stupid like you say id rather be stupid than lack character like you......
 
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earth_as_one

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care the elaborate gerryh?



as you can see the westerlies blow to the east, so i dont know why gerryh is rolling his eyes.... When chernobyl blew its top, radioactive isotopes went where the wind took them
...The most important radionuclides remaining from weapons testing are now carbon-14, strontium-90 and caesium-137. The global average dose from these is about 0.005 mSv/yr, compared with a peak of 0.113 mSv average in 1963. Residual dose rates at test sites are mostly low (< 1 msv/yr), apart from at Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan.

....Since the 1963 atmospheric test ban treaty, weapons tests have been mostly underground, the exceptions being by France and China. The underground tests have had no immediate environmental effect and are generally seen as relatively benign compared with the atmospheric tests...
A 22.6 increase in global average of radioactive toxins.

Toxins are not evenly distributed globally as per wind patterns.

The majority open air tests (Americans, French and Brits) were in the southern hemisphere.

Latitudes where air descends would have higher concentrations than latitudes where air rises, like the south half of Canada.
 
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Johnnny

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...The most important radionuclides remaining from weapons testing are now carbon-14, strontium-90 and caesium-137. The global average dose from these is about 0.005 mSv/yr, compared with a peak of 0.113 mSv average in 1963. Residual dose rates at test sites are mostly low (< 1 msv/yr), apart from at Semipalatinsk in Kazakhstan.
see thats interesting, did it get into more detail about kazakhstan? there was no link

The majority open air tests (Americans, French and Brits) were in the southern hemisphere.
But if you seen the video the biggest spots were in the south west of the united states.. Thats in the northern hemisphere
 
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Compare to Chernobyl's...

...There were over 100 radioactive elements released into the atmosphere when Chernobyl’s fourth reactor exploded. Most of these were short lived and decayed (reduced in radioactivity) very quickly. Iodine, strontium and caesium were the most dangerous of the elements released, and have half-lives of 8 days, 29 years, and 30 years respectively. The isotopes Strontium-90 and Caesium-137 are therefore still present in the area to this day. While iodine is linked to thyroid cancer, Strontium can lead to leukaemia. Caesium is the element that travelled the farthest and lasts the longest. This element affects the entire body and especially can harm the liver and spleen....

Frequently Asked Chernobyl Questions
 

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strontium 90: Definition from Answers.com

Atmospheric nuclear weapons testing in Nevada began in January 1951, and by 1953, studies detected radioactivity levels in humans and animals, especially the presence of 90Sr. The following year, the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission began to measure 90Sr in healthy adult New York City residents who died in accidents. A 1958 study of 90Sr in 60,000 baby teeth in the St. Louis area revealed that levels of the radioactive element rose steadily during atmospheric nuclear weapons testing, except during a testing moratorium between 1959 and 1961. B
it looks like the wind was involved i guess here, i highly doubt it hitchhiked there

but your right EOA they dropped after that. And that was my MAIN question and concern...

in my link it mentions people still have some strontium in them, possibly from nuclear reactor emmissions, could the wind play a role in this? The people they tested were in the north east......
 
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Bar Sinister

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A very clever video representation of several decades of international insanity. For a real look at nuclear testing up until the first Limited Test Ban Treaty check out Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie, narrated by the brilliant Canadian William Shatner. The film is extremely well done and is a must see for those interested in understanding the incredible madness of the arms race.
 

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strontium 90: Definition from Answers.com

it looks like the wind was involved i guess here, i highly doubt it hitchhiked there

but your right EOA they dropped after that. And that was my MAIN question and concern...

in my link it mentions people still have some strontium in them, possibly from nuclear reactor emmissions, could the wind play a role in this? The people they tested were in the north east......
While weather and winds are highly variable, I'd judge from the winds diagram that radioactive toxins from Nevada would most likely settle downwind in the subtropical high pressure area.

related:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout

see thats interesting, did it get into more detail about kazakhstan? there was no link

But if you seen the video the biggest spots were in the south west of the united states.. Thats in the northern hemisphere
I saw the video. Size matters...

In general, Americans tested A-Bombs in Nevada, H-Bombs in the South Pacific.
 
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A4NoOb

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I still don't see the point of this thread. The guy is an artist, doesn't that alone give reason not to take this seriously?
 

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I still don't see the point of this thread.

Maybe you already were aware of the scale of nuclear tests. I wasn't. Art can be used to help interpret facts. Naked facts can be objective, but subjectivity is what drives the majority of human opinion forming.

For instance, can you perceive how small something like a toxic screening result is? What does one part per billion mean to you? Small, sure, but how small?
 

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An artist's rendition of the history of nuclear and thermonuclear weapon detonations on our planet, with a timeline for when, a map for where, and colour coded to identify which nation conducted the bombing/test.

"1945-1998" by Isao Hashimoto: CTBTO Preparatory Commission

It does not include the tests of the DPRK.
Cool. People must have slacked off lately, though, because I haven't seen any 3 story tall spiders scooting around for a long time.
 

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Maybe you already were aware of the scale of nuclear tests. I wasn't. Art can be used to help interpret facts. Naked facts can be objective, but subjectivity is what drives the majority of human opinion forming.

For instance, can you perceive how small something like a toxic screening result is? What does one part per billion mean to you? Small, sure, but how small?

The amount of nuclear testing means absolutely nothing. If what the "artist" is trying to assert is that this is "damaging our earth", then why dance around the bush? Why not provide "naked facts" showing this assertion? Because there are none. Instead, he would rather make some obscure correlation by just showing the number of tests, than the straight out effects. As you put it, the artist finds what avenue he needs to display his agenda, when in reality it is useless information. I'm merely calling out on his bluff.

True. Thousands of nuclear tests poisoning the environment is such a frivolous issue.

See, this was one of the posts the artist probably wanted to stir. The validity of such statements however are a completely different matter.
 

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The amount of nuclear testing means absolutely nothing. If what the "artist" is trying to assert is that this is "damaging our earth", then why dance around the bush? Why not provide "naked facts" showing this assertion? Because there are none. Instead, he would rather make some obscure correlation by just showing the number of tests, than the straight out effects. As you put it, the artist finds what avenue he needs to display his agenda, when in reality it is useless information. I'm merely calling out on his bluff.



See, this was one of the posts the artist probably wanted to stir. The validity of such statements however are a completely different matter.


Let me understand something. Are you trying to say that the billions wasted on nuclear testing; the huge amount of radiation released into the environment; and the manufacture of enough nuclear weapons to destroy civilization was nothing to be concerned about?

And what bluff are you calling? I did not detect any hint of the creator of the video bluffing about anything. He was merely illustrating an unfortunate episode in history.
 

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The amount of nuclear testing means absolutely nothing.

The amount is the amount. It means what it means.

Why not provide "naked facts" showing this assertion?

The facts are the date and country which conducted the test. Why you even have objections to a timeline where we can discern those is beyond me.

Instead, he would rather make some obscure correlation by just showing the number of tests, than the straight out effects.

What is the correlation?
 

A4NoOb

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Let me understand something. Are you trying to say that the billions wasted on nuclear testing; the huge amount of radiation released into the environment; and the manufacture of enough nuclear weapons to destroy civilization was nothing to be concerned about?

And what bluff are you calling? I did not detect any hint of the creator of the video bluffing about anything. He was merely illustrating an unfortunate episode in history.

Instead of even bothering with this kind of MAD ideology, I'll just send you back to the 1980's where it was more popular, seeing as your politics are stuck in that time frame.

The amount is the amount. It means what it means.

Which was why I said such information is useless. Its akin to stating the amount of houses sold per annum. Thanks but no thanks.
 

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I don't get what your probelem is? That someone finds his video enlightening in some way? What the hell do you care? Nobody even asked you what your opinion is, so if it doesn't interest you, why did you feel compelled to make a stink?
 

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The amount of nuclear testing means absolutely nothing.
BS It indicates the stupidity in misusing gov't funding.
If what the "artist" is trying to assert is that this is "damaging our earth", then why dance around the bush? Why not provide "naked facts" showing this assertion? Because there are none. Instead, he would rather make some obscure correlation by just showing the number of tests, than the straight out effects. As you put it, the artist finds what avenue he needs to display his agenda, when in reality it is useless information. I'm merely calling out on his bluff.
That it is useless is only your opinion. Not a big deal.
But then even something more-or-less useless or irrleevant can have vast ramifications. You seem to forget that. Or maybe you just aren't aware of it.

See, this was one of the posts the artist probably wanted to stir. The validity of such statements however are a completely different matter.
As is your opinion.