2010 food crisis for dummies

[JLM]

This almost sound like a little kid with his fingers stuck in his ears saying, "I can't hear you." Sooner or later we need to alter our unsustainable lifestyles or we will be forced to. Starvation is usually a good motivator.

Right on Cliff- but at the same time whoever originated this idea should be truthful, we ain't going to run out of food next year and you very seldom get compliance (for long) by scaring people. First of all before we can change people's actions we have to change their thinking. As long as people have a "Burgerking" mentality, nothing much to do with food is going to happen.

 

[countryboy]

Right on Cliff- but at the same time whoever originated this idea should be truthful, we ain't going to run out of food next year and you very seldom get compliance (for long) by scaring people. First of all before we can change people's actions we have to change their thinking. As long as people have a "Burgerking" mentality, nothing much to do with food is going to happen.

Burger King? Food? :lol:

Well, OK, I get the drift...It's virtually impossible for someone in downtown Toronto to even relate to the subject of food, where it comes from, and certainly the fact that it might someday not be there. If the local store runs out of something, they just go down the street to the next one.

As AnnaG pointed out earlier, some of the food quality these days is questionable, but when you raise the issue of quantity, you're getting even further away from the average person's attention zone.

So, the challenge is, how do you effectively get their attention on the food issue? Let me qualify that by stating that I think a 2 x 6 across the side of the head is neither socially acceptable or legal!

 

[Tonington]

Food sustainability under the present economic paradigm is impossible by design.

Food sustainability includes more than just the economics DB. Many aspects of agriculture and basic human necessity need to be addressed.

Tonington the Green Revolution was simply this, to push the indigenous off their lands at gunpoint and put them to work packing pineapples in a factory, and nothing else, despite the miles and miles of rhetoric.

There's considerable evidence to the contrary, despite your rhetoric DB. The claims of Malthus would likely have come to fruition without the green revolution, and they may yet.

 

[talloola]

I can grow lots of food, and I know where there are some
beefs wandering around, that I can rustle, if necessary,
so, 'i'm good', thanks.

 

[JLM]

I can grow lots of food, and I know where there are some
beefs wandering around, that I can rustle, if necessary,
so, 'i'm good', thanks.

Not to mention with the over abundance of deer up here, there's no excuse for anyone in the interior starving for a long time.

 

[talloola]

Not to mention with the over abundance of deer up here, there's no excuse for anyone in the interior starving for a long time.

Yeah, here too, there are lots right on the golf course
I can pick off. lol

 

[petros]

We'll know what our food situation is in six months. Until then keep an eye on what is happening where it is summer right now.

 

[petros]

Food sustainability includes more than just the economics DB. Many aspects of agriculture and basic human necessity need to be addressed.

So why do CDN farmers need to get operating loans every spring? Will the FCC be giving loans to Ethiopia this spring? How about Romania or Ukrainian? Loans to buy the bayer Invigor ptogram there?

Farming has changed drastically in the past 20 years The story book images of the farm that the majority think are real, aren't.

A tractor will set you back the cost of about 5 family homes. Then add some implements, combine, sprayer, storage, not to mention land.

If you walked into a bank and said "i want to start a farm from scratch". They'd laugh so hard your proposal will end up posted by the watercooler or make the next years calendar.

 

[Canaduh]

So why do CDN farmers need to get operating loans every spring? Will the FCC be giving loans to Ethiopia this spring? How about Romania or Ukrainian? Loans to buy the bayer Invigor ptogram there?

Farming has changed drastically in the past 20 years The story book images of the farm that the majority think are real, aren't.

A tractor will set you back the cost of about 5 family homes. Then add some implements, combine, sprayer, storage, not to mention land.

If you walked into a bank and said "i want to start a farm from scratch". They'd laugh so hard your proposal will end up posted by the watercooler or make the next years calendar.

Sounds a lot like Australia. There's no way to "get" a farm here, you have to inherit it. Not that many people would want to, seems there's less money and more work in farming these days.

 

[JLM]

So why do CDN farmers need to get operating loans every spring? Will the FCC be giving loans to Ethiopia this spring? How about Romania or Ukrainian? Loans to buy the bayer Invigor ptogram there?

Farming has changed drastically in the past 20 years The story book images of the farm that the majority think are real, aren't.

A tractor will set you back the cost of about 5 family homes. Then add some implements, combine, sprayer, storage, not to mention land.

If you walked into a bank and said "i want to start a farm from scratch". They'd laugh so hard your proposal will end up posted by the watercooler or make the next years calendar.

Umh- $2 million for a tractor? Sounds a bit steep to me! Maybe a guy would want to buy a good used one.

 

[JLM]

Yeah, here too, there are lots right on the golf course
I can pick off. lol

Oh, you mean them little "jack rabbits".................:lol::lol::lol: They are getting to be a real problem, especially in my old town of Grand Forks- every one thinks they are cute (which they are until they reach a few months), but you have to be realistic- it's impossible to have a garden unless you put an 8' fence around it. I had apple trees down there and had to do the same thing. Seen up to 17 of them in front of my house at one time. This is getting slightly off topic except for it being a source of solving the world's hunger problem and venison is one of the tastier meats, so shouldn't be many complaints there. Another solution is these huge lawns you see people spending hours mowing on their ridem mower, getting fat. Turn half of that area into spuds and other veggies. I could grow enough veggies on about 500 sq. ft. to last me 6 months. Anyway no sensible person in (the fertile part of) Canada need to starve in the foreseeable future.

 

[Walter]

These threads are always good for entertainment; complaining how bad man is and if we don't change our way we'll be in big trouble. Truth is, we are healthier than ever before, we live longer, have more money, more food, and the prospects for our future have never been rosier. There have always been nay-sayers and always will be nay-sayers, but life and the human condition continually improves. And, by the way, game is always good eatin'.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So why do CDN farmers need to get operating loans every spring? Will the FCC be giving loans to Ethiopia this spring? How about Romania or Ukrainian? Loans to buy the bayer Invigor ptogram there?

Farming has changed drastically in the past 20 years The story book images of the farm that the majority think are real, aren't.

A tractor will set you back the cost of about 5 family homes. Then add some implements, combine, sprayer, storage, not to mention land.

If you walked into a bank and said "i want to start a farm from scratch". They'd laugh so hard your proposal will end up posted by the watercooler or make the next years calendar.

These days most of the farms are owned by corporations, the individual, family farm is on its way out. These days you have to operate, make profit on volume. But that doesn’t mean that farming is on its way out.

 

[JLM]

These threads are always good for entertainment; complaining how bad man is and if we don't change our way we'll be in big trouble. Truth is, we are healthier than ever before, we live longer, have more money, more food, and the prospects for our future have never been rosier. There have always been nay-sayers and always will be nay-sayers, but life and the human condition continually improves. And, by the way, game is always good eatin'.

I think S.J. is starting to rub off on you a bit (but to give the Devil his due we are pretty fortunate in this country, if we could just get the whiners to quit whining, we'd be in fine shape)

 

[SirJosephPorter]

These threads are always good for entertainment; complaining how bad man is and if we don't change our way we'll be in big trouble. Truth is, we are healthier than ever before, we live longer, have more money, more food, and the prospects for our future have never been rosier. There have always been nay-sayers and always will be nay-sayers, but life and the human condition continually improves. And, by the way, game is always good eatin'.

Gee Walter, you almost sound like a liberal. I was saying the same in the thread about how life was so glorious, so grand 50 years ago, how it is the absolute pits today. I was arguing the very same thing with many conservatives. We are much healthier, wealthier, richer, more prosperous compared to 50 years ago, and live longer today.

Don’t you wish to go back to the ‘good old days’? You are not having a change of heart, are you?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I think S.J. is starting to rub off on you a bit (but to give the Devil his due we are pretty fortunate in this country, if we could just get the whiners to quit whining, we'd be in fine shape)

Bingo, JLM. Great minds think alike. I posted my post before reading yours.

 

[JLM]

Gee Walter, you almost sound like a liberal. I was saying the same in the thread about how life was so glorious, so grand 50 years ago, how it is the absolute pits today. I was arguing the very same thing with many conservatives. We are much healthier, wealthier, richer, more prosperous compared to 50 years ago, and live longer today.

Don’t you wish to go back to the ‘good old days’? You are not having a change of heart, are you?

I was hoping we could let "sleeping dogs" lie.

 

[Walter]

I think S.J. is starting to rub off on you a bit (but to give the Devil his due we are pretty fortunate in this country, if we could just get the whiners to quit whining, we'd be in fine shape)

I don't waste my time reading his posts; he's on ignore.
It's not just this country, most areas of the world are better off now than they were 50 years ago thanks to capitalism and democracy.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I was hoping we could let "sleeping dogs" lie.

I don't know, JLM. When a known conservative starts arguing like a liberal, it is always worth a comment or two.

 

[JLM]

I don't waste my time reading his posts; he's on ignore.
It's not just this country, most areas of the world are better off now than they were 50 years ago thanks to capitalism and democracy.

I'd amend that to say "we have the potential for a better world today"- no doubt about it, but things like greed, laziness and drugs are pulling us down.