$20,000 per person: Activists push for guaranteed minimum income for Canadians

[DurkaDurka]

A little inbreeding happening in your family too I can see

Yes, that and fetal alcohol syndrome, I presume you have experience with both.

 

[Angstrom]

Are you the greeter foreman at Walmart?

Yes durka. Everything will be alright. It's ok that your mom is also your sister.

Lol

 

[Angstrom]

Yes, that and fetal alcohol syndrome, I presume you have experience with both.

Oh so feisty. Look at you. Lol. Getting down and dirty. You nasty little thing. Lol

It feels like I'm mocking a caged monkey

 

[DurkaDurka]

Yes durka. Everything will be alright. It's ok that your mom is also your sister.

Lol

Are you typing this from an xbox controller?

 

[Angstrom]

Are you typing this from an xbox controller?

No from a Nintendo wii. Dumbo

 

[DurkaDurka]

Oh so feisty. Look at you. Lol. Getting down and dirty. You nasty little thing. Lol

It feels like I'm mocking a caged monkey

Is that how you felt during your juvenile lockup? Admit your crimes, Walmart Greeter-"Forman"

 

[Angstrom]

Is that how you felt during your juvenile lockup? Admit your crimes, Walmart Greeter-"Forman"

Can't fool you I guess...

 

[DurkaDurka]

Can't fool you I guess...

It's ok, let me lend you a shoulder while you release these repressed memories.

 

[taxslave]

I believe the government both federal and provincial would be better positioned to offer severely discounted training/diplomas/certs etc in trades and in-demand jobs (System Admins, Business Analysts, Database Admins).

Twenty thousand dollars per annum is still below poverty, we should be training people to get out of these dead end jobs, not retain them.

There is funding available for trades don't know about others except for student loans which I think should be interest free.

 

[DurkaDurka]

There is funding available for trades don't know about others except for student loans which I think should be interest free.

Beats an artificial wage increase for minimum I think.

 

[taxslave]

Beats an artificial wage increase for minimum I think.

Definately for anyone with an ounce of ambition. Few people are forced into minimum wage, they just lack the desire to do better.

 

[lone wolf]

Sudbury. That explains everything. Ya your a retard.
I'm Forman on the most prestigious job in Canada.
I have people under me at minimum wage to fill out material sheets lol.

Your a idiot. Lol

No prestigious company is going to make an idiot who spells at Grade 5 level a foreman
You're full of shyte up to the ears and the rest is toilet paper - and that's assuming you're bright enough to wipe your butt

 

[Machjo]

Also, while I'm not opposed in principle to a guaranteed wage, I do have concerns in practice. If too high, it could be a disincentive to work. Also, what if a person is a drug, gambling, or sex addict. Do we really want to feed the addiction? I'm not saying don't help the poor, but there is a difference between helping them and throwing money at them.



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I don't think $20 thousand a year is in any danger of being too high.

You're right on that.

The world is getting to be a small place, Capt., we really have to start thinking "Global". We can't produce everything, the more participants the better.

Are you sure about that? I'd been trying to grow bananas and oranges in the backyard and it never seemed to work. But I think it just has to do with my planting them at the wrong time, that's all.

Not even that necessarily, although it would be nice to get some garbage picked up.

Take your all time favourite Big Mac analogy, right now I'd say if you had to get a job at McDonalds you'd be looking at minimum wage and not full time hours. But if we looked at 'topping up' the base income of all Canadians to a decent point, then odds are people will be buying more Big Macs. If people are buying more Big Macs then it won't be long before McDonalds needs more full time staff, maybe with a wage bump. More full time staff means more tax dollars going into general revenue for the country, paying for this 'top-up' allowance. Etc, etc, on and on.

Now obviously that's just a small example and of course it's not that direct nor is it quite that simple. There would always be a percentage of the population that requires a 'top-up' but I wouldn't be surprised to see fewer individuals requiring it within a generation or two, should a nation adopt a plan like this. With the right qualifiers I'd wager it could be a vary viable alternative to most social assistance programs.

Though this guaranteed wage might be a good idea, I'd hope we make it sustainable (i.e. through tax increases, not inflation), otherwise if we do it through inflation policy, then it's just a dog chasing its tail. Or are we going to pin it to inflation too? Then watch us go into a nice bout of inflation. I want to know that the money I earn will not be watered down through inflation. Raise my taxes, fine. But after that, I have the right to trust that the government will respect what I keep after taxes. Besides, inflation has an effect that is similar to a regressive tax since the rich can always hedge against it.

I should also add that this guaranteed wage solution would probably be better than minimum wage... no, it definitely would be. At least with this you're not legislating people out of work.

 

[JLM]

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Are you sure about that? I'd been trying to grow bananas and oranges in the backyard and it never seemed to work. But I think it just has to do with my planting them at the wrong time, that's all.

Even if we could grow a banana or orange or two, it wouldn't make sense to grow them on a large scale when there are other countries that can grow them much more efficiently. We want to do what can be done most efficiently in Canada and let other nations do what they can more efficiently. Proximity to natural resources is the first clue.

 

[Toro]

Awesome.

Where do I apply?

 

[JLM]

Awesome.

Where do I apply?

Pick a rich city, show up at 8 A.M. Monday with your tool box and tell them for $20 grand you'll do any city maintenance that needs doing, snow removal, garbage removal, landscaping, grass mowing, weed pulling, painting, culvert and gutter cleaning etc. etc.

 

[Machjo]

Even if we could grow a banana or orange or two, it wouldn't make sense to grow them on a large scale when there are other countries that can grow them much more efficiently. We want to do what can be done most efficiently in Canada and let other nations do what they can more efficiently. Proximity to natural resources is the first clue.

Really? But thought we had to stop importing our jobs. I`ll try pineapples next year. Just playing my part for Canadian self-sufficiency eh.

Pick a rich city, show up at 8 A.M. Monday with your tool box and tell them for $20 grand you'll do any city maintenance that needs doing, snow removal, garbage removal, landscaping, grass mowing, weed pulling, painting, culvert and gutter cleaning etc. etc.

And we`ll even offer the tools and teach him how to use them if need be?

 

[JLM]

Really? But thought we had to stop importing our jobs. I`ll try pineapples next year. Just playing my part for Canadian self-sufficiency eh.

We are too small of a country to be independent. I think the jobs should be located according to the location of the raw materials that "feed" the jobs. You build a mill where the lumber is, you build a refinery where the crude oil is, you build a mine where the ore is.