$20,000 per person: Activists push for guaranteed minimum income for Canadians

[Corduroy]

The minute they opened up the borders to goods with minimal tarrifs, the labour will go to the cheapest marketplace. Now they can use slave labour in China and have full access to American markets.

Of course, if you undid all that, yes labour would come back here but your $300 iPhone with telco subsidy would now cost $800. All the cheap stuff you buy weekly (that comes from China) would cost 2-3 times its current cost. Question is if you were doing the minimum wage manufacturing job, would you be any farther ahead?

You incorrectly assume that the price of a product will necessarily be linked to the cost of labour. As it is, the labour costs of most electronics are dirt cheap. Iphones cost so much money because Apple knows people will pay that much for it. It's not about the cost of the product but the profits of the company.

 

[captain morgan]

The minute they opened up the borders to goods with minimal tarrifs, the labour will go to the cheapest marketplace. Now they can use slave labour in China and have full access to American markets.

The notion of slave labour is often based on a comparing the relative dollar amounts equally across different nations without considering the differential in the cost of living. We hear all kinds of stories of how someone is making one or two dollars a day and for us, that is unimaginable based on what it costs you to service your daily needs/costs.

Relative to the above, I have a friend here in Cowtown that is making $25/hr and can barely make ends meet... Does he qualify as slave labour? Hell, there are people (illegally) immigrating to the Southern US to work at jobs at low rates that North Americans refuse to do... Is that 'slave labour' if these people are relocating there at great risk and personal expense to do the work?

 

[darkbeaver]

GAI is not a new idea. If we provide for a minimum income for the working class the money works it's way up slowly if we don't the wealthy get it before it works through the economy proper.

http://www.comer.org/archives/2014/COMER_MayJune2014.pdf13 How PM Harper Plans to Sell Out
Canada to the International
Banking Cartel
14 Iceland Continues Economic
Rejuvenation by Purging Financial
Parasites

 

[captain morgan]

Iceland FAQs

• GDP Growth: 1.6%
• GDP/Capita: $43,300
• Trade Balance: -5.1%
• Population: .3 M
• Public Debt As % of GDP: 125%
• Unemployment: 6.0%
• Inflation: 5.2%

Public debt being 125% of GDP... So, exactly who is going to get screwed now that you can't blame the banks?

 

[Angstrom]

Definitely would help Ottawa get ride of lots of useless conservatives��

 

[JLM]

Definitely would help Ottawa get ride of lots of useless conservatives��

Yeah, they will be leaving in droves to line up for the $20,000, Duffy picking up garbage and Wallin pulling weeds in the park! -

 

[darkbeaver]

Iceland FAQs

• GDP Growth: 1.6%
• GDP/Capita: $43,300
• Trade Balance: -5.1%
• Population: .3 M
• Public Debt As % of GDP: 125%
• Unemployment: 6.0%
• Inflation: 5.2%

Public debt being 125% of GDP... So, exactly who is going to get screwed now that you can't blame the banks?

Where's your trusted link? I'd like to see your source. Of course you could compare Iceland to many other nations. If you could trust the numbers. And if you did trust the numbers I got a deal for you.

 

[damngrumpy]

First of all the ideas is not new its been talked about before
It has some limited merit there are people out there who are
not really capable to work life history and other factors mean
no matter how many courses or training or anything else will
see these people as productive
If we gave them 20 thousand and used the job training money
to benefit those who would succeed we would benefit in net
return taxes. We keep trying to find things for the unemployable s
to do and investing in St Jude causes (Saint of lost causes)
nothing comes of our efforts.
I don't see us topping up everyone's wages though

 

[taxslave]

Yeah, they will be leaving in droves to line up for the $20,000, Duffy picking up garbage and Wallin pulling weeds in the park! -

I doubt either one of them lard butts could even bend over far enough to touch the ground.

 

[JLM]

First of all the ideas is not new its been talked about before
It has some limited merit there are people out there who are
not really capable to work life history and other factors mean
no matter how many courses or training or anything else will
see these people as productive
If we gave them 20 thousand and used the job training money
to benefit those who would succeed we would benefit in net
return taxes. We keep trying to find things for the unemployable s
to do and investing in St Jude causes (Saint of lost causes)
nothing comes of our efforts.
I don't see us topping up everyone's wages though

I wouldn't spend a nickel on training for the first year (except for basic safety practices). After they've proved they can stick at the "grunt jobs" for a year, then you can start transitioning them over to something a little more sophisticated. We've have far too many educated useless t its as it is!

 

[taxslave]

I wouldn't spend a nickel on training for the first year (except for basic safety practices). After they've proved they can stick at the "grunt jobs" for a year, then you can start transitioning them over to something a little more sophisticated. We've have far too many educated useless t its as it is!

The excessive education in useless subjects is mostly why they are useless.

 

[JLM]

I doubt either one of them lard butts could even bend over far enough to touch the ground.

Yep, I think Duffy would have a jammer if he had to lift anything heavier than his d*nk.

 

[Angstrom]

In the end you get out of life what you put in. People on minimum wage have what they deserve.

 

[JLM]

In the end you get out of life what you put in. People on minimum wage have what they deserve.

Pretty narrow point of view! Everyone has to start out at a point where they don't know anything. A decent employer will tell the new employee that after the first week/month/year his wage scale is up to him/her.

 

[captain morgan]

Where's your trusted link? I'd like to see your source. Of course you could compare Iceland to many other nations. If you could trust the numbers. And if you did trust the numbers I got a deal for you.

My trusted link or yours?

You want some kind of proof?... Go there and see for yourself. I expect that you'll see that (magically) they are selling of their resources at very low prices... Makes you wonder how the little people will be living after the gold rush, eh?

 

[darkbeaver]

My trusted link or yours?

You want some kind of proof?... Go there and see for yourself. I expect that you'll see that (magically) they are selling of their resources at very low prices... Makes you wonder how the little people will be living after the gold rush, eh?

They can afford to sell low because the leeching bankers do not any longer get a fat cut. Bank of Canada working for Canada or Death. That's my new tatoo.

 

[captain morgan]

Interesting analysis... I was thinking more along the lines that the debt that is equal to 125% of their GDP will be ramping up a lot higher with the infrastructure needs to service the new business that has come in.... You'd almost think that they couldn't afford to sell just 'cause of that

 

[Corduroy]

Funny thing about workers rights... Those people in the nations where the mfgrs moved to invoked their right to work at the pay rates offered.

Kinda throws a kink in your scenario, don't it?

Not to mention, the conditions offered. The separation from family, the long hours, the lack of breaks and meals, no safety regulations or compensation for injury, sometimes being locked inside your workplace, under the constant threat of complete destitution should you not work yourself to the bone.

They "invoked" their right to work under all these conditions. And they did it all willingly didn't they? Why do you think they did this?

 

[captain morgan]

What were they doing before Nike or Apple were in town?

 

[Corduroy]

What were they doing before Nike or Apple were in town?

Living in an agriculture-based community somewhere else most likely. Usually these factories plant themselves along an easily accessible environment to destroy and bring in workers from the surrounding country. The towns are largely a product of industry.