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  1. Tonington

    Merry Christmas Salmon lovers, from Scrooge

    You know, the colossal gall of some people never fails to arouse my contempt for such stupid ideas. This Christmas season, a partnership between Vancouver based Northern Dynasty Minerals, and Anglo-American has spawned an idea which could finish off the last sustainably caught and non-toxic(...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Mikey, the politics of the situation has given rise to what some have coined "an excess of objectivity." Basically, anyone of us can do google searches to find what we're looking for. We can even cherry pick scientific studies to find what we're looking for. The interesting point about...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    The five simulations are monthly data generated with Schwartz's AR1 process. Schwartz's method for estimating time scales was also applied to the GISTEMP monthly data in the same manner. When comparing his AR1 process, to the observed data, it's clear that global temperatures cannot be modeled...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    I have no problem with Schwartz's use of basic physics, all studies and models use the basic physics. This isn't like geomagnetism or solar enthusiasts who need to ignore noise in the climate system to make their correlations fit, this was as you say a simple model. My problem is that his model...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    I never said that. No, it certainly isn't settled. But this paper by Schwartz adds very little to the body of knowledge. The oceans for instance have much left to provide in the way of findings. I think it's wise to note that, there are many reasons to be skeptical of new findings. Models...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Can I assume you've read Schwartz's paper? Even Schwartz himself recognizes the limitations of his simple single compartment energy model. Some of his assumptions I have problems with. His analysis was modeled from the assumption that Earth's climate has one single heat capacity, and one single...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    And now it's the last refuge for Senator Inhoffe.
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    I didn't quote Extra, it was actually he who said that it wasn't possible. Apologies for the confusion Prax. The quantity which can be dissolved is dependent on the other factors I mentioned. water can become super saturated without our intervention. You see this in waters below a set of...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    What's this nonsense now about streams not being able to absorb the co2? That's pure bull plop. I can inject CO2 into my fish tank, I can inject CO2 into the water at my school to increase the growth of some selected micro algae. It's not hard to do. Solubility increases as we increase the pH...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Walters article says warming stopped, that's incorrect. It doesn't even mention the true warmest year on record, which was 2005. Hansen and GISS crew will release the yearly report on temperature in January for 2007, and indications in early December were that 2007 would be second warmest...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    He's a fine one to talk about mumbo jumbo. Nine years ago was not the warmest year, 2005 gets the title. 2007 is on pace to come in at second place, and this comes as the Pacific was cooler than it has been in the past couple years, and we've made the transition into lower solar irradience.
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    No arguments from me to that end.
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    If that isn't the richest appeal to authority, so which is the Pope an authority on, ideologies or scare mongering?
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Ahhh, that link makes sense. Thanks S.
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    In your first response you said that atmospheric pressures has no significant effect. Now you're telling me the lower the atmospheric pressure, the less significant the broadening will be. You've confused me now. As I understand it, if you add more CO2 to the atmosphere, there will be more...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Yup, that's correct. Line broadening is a function of local pressure from collisions, and temperature which is doppler. I find the most pervasive error in talking about saturated lines or bands is the effects of the wings of a band, not just the center of the band. That's why they aren't...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Hmm? The pressure broadening is what I was talking about. When the pressure goes down, the absorption lines become narrower. That makes more room between the lines, ie more of the spectrum there than on the line centers. The absorption coefficient goes down almost linearly with a drop in...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    What you or I think is irrelevant. What matters is the proof. I think we can agree on that.:lol: We've discussed this before, as to the absorption bands. The atmosphere is not a homogeneous system. The absorption bands are narrow closer to ground, but they are broad in the upper reaches of the...
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    Iran is nukeless, program ended 2003

    I'm surprised this isn't up on the pages yet. For an administration who were wrong on nuclear WMD in Iraq, now comes a blow that Iran's program ended in 2003, according to an intelligence report released in Washington. This only adds support to the IAEA stance that evidence is lacking for a...