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  1. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Have you ever actually investigated who said what back in the 1970's? The National Academy of Science said there was very little evidence to support an oncoming ice age. Rasool is the author most often cited, but his study said nothing about impending ice age, instead he made a prediction about...
  2. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    I'm well aware of Milankovitch cycles and the periods of change inbetween. You're describing what has happened in the past, that's not debatable, it's a matter of fact. I responded to the comment that we're on the brink of an ice age. Where is the evidence for that? Claiming that is as...
  3. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    He's head researcher for Goddard Institute for Space Studies, but not the one who sets NASA funding priorities. Unlikely that Hansen would want to see it mothballed. The original idea actually belonged to Gore, he called the proposal Triana, the GOP congress called it Goresat. The politics for...
  4. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Of course, but they aren't free, except were used as foreign aid. Does France receive foreign Aid from the US, and would a climate satellite ever count as foreign aid? Power generation makes sense, but a climate observational satellite does not meet the definition of foreign aid.
  5. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    How would you as a global cooling advocate continue if the Earth is a heat sucker? I meant no disrespect Jim. That was the question my sane comment was leveled at. The satellite sits here on Earth, not that it should matter. There is plenty of information out there already to give you a decent...
  6. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    I didn't say buy, perhaps that is what mislead you. I would have thought that: was clear enough. I'm unaware of any case where one country spends $100 million on cutting edge technology and simply gives it away.
  7. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    You're busy now? What's your opinion on the question I asked?
  8. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Umm, that is what they asked for. Are you skipping posts?8O
  9. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Currently. Why spend all the money building one from scratch when one sits ready to launch? It's unwanted apparently by NASA, you'd think that they might want to recoup some of the $100 million in tax payers money for the development of the satellite.
  10. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Independent means letting someone else make your points? A thoughtful, thinking, independent person would have their own comments to make, and if needed rely on citations for why they think as they do. I have yet to hear your specific beef with anything about the established science. What is...
  11. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Yet it remains in storage. America puts satellites in orbit regularly as well. Just because France puts satellites in orbit doesn't mean the US would be obligated to acquiesce to France's request. That's some fuzzy logic there Walt.
  12. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    It may also have something to do with the fact that back in 1998 Gore suggested the idea for that type of satellite mission, and DSCOVR is known amongst it's other aliases as GORE-SAT. If anthropogenic global warming really is bad science, this satellite would be able to show that. If it is a...
  13. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    You've really nailed it on the head Jim. What is the public to think? It's a problem of perspective. Getting your news from one trusted source or another, with emphasis on your own particular bias. We see it all the time when someone calls CBC a Liberal news source, or Sun media as a...
  14. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Ummm, bull sh|t. Where is the evidence for an oncoming ice age? The oncoming solar cycle 24 shows no evidence for that, and predicting grand solar minima and maxima is a random chaotic process. If we were to go through another Maunder minimum magnitude change, that would only respond to a change...
  15. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Apparently you've never been to Alberta.
  16. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Not during the age of Civilization, and not without significant differences from todays climate. Further, not since the period changed from 40 kyr to 100 kyr for climate variance about 700,000 years ago. That's why this current situation is anomalous from the proxy records.
  17. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    I never said anything about optimum temperature, but if I had to pick, I'd pick the temperature that best reflects how we've managed infrastructure and our activity. Our irrigation canals are not for instance compatible with a climate free of mountain glaciers. Increasing temperatures means more...
  18. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Which sulfates? Any chemical species with the SO4(2-) anion. How much would depend on the mixture of sulfates. I only mention greenhouse gases as they represent the largest forcing. In reality the sulphate forcing would have to negate all positive forcings to stop the warming trend, but then...
  19. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Of course we can do this. Start pumping sulfates into the air as we do with greenhouse gases. All you have to do is put enough to cancel the forcing that greenhouse gases currently represent, and voila, trend reversed.
  20. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    The model was a 100 year controlled run, to examine the climate equilibrium sensitivity to changes in aerosols and trace gases (CO2, CH4, N20, etc.) The three scenarios were just that, scenarios. It wasn't entirely certain what would happen, never is. They made estimates of what the future...