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  1. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    I was responding to the article which cited solar irradiance, not sun spots. Solar irradiance does not correlate to the noted rise in greenhouse gases. End of story. I'm not sure where you found that graph, as the graphs I've seen are markedly different. Your graph appears to be plotting the...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    I've already touched on this, but how does the temperature record of the United States, after a change of 0.02 in the hottest year(1998 went from 1.25 to 1.23) have anything to do with GLOBAL warming? A tiny portion of the globe with a small change from two different databases is hardly the...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    The saturation argument. Well, if the lower atmosphere bands were saturated, which they aren't, that is inconsequential, as it is in the absorption in the thin layer of the upper atmosphere where the infrared actually escapes Earth that determines Earth's heat balance. We know the bands are not...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    So for the first post, a few questions arise. The article cites changes in solar irradiance as the driver of both the carbon dioxide concentrations and the increasing temperature, yet the irradiance is a nearly decadal cycle. Heres the data from NOAA: Now here is the atmospheric carbon dioxide...
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    Lougheed's Warning: Tarsands and the environment

    Clash over oil sands inevitable: Lougheed KIRK MAKIN Globe and Mail Update...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Cite evidence please. Never run out of resources? Hows that sand taste? Overfishing, repeated stress to soil which requires amendments, tree harvesting, all ecosystems have a natural carrying capacity. We have gone beyond that point which is why we: need aquaculture to provide food to the...
  7. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Maybe you could link to where you found their conclusions, a google search turned up 4 hits and a scholarly search gave up one, but I can't access that journal from where I am this summer. I'm not in the habit of accepting single studies as proof positive, especially if I can't access the...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    You just aren't getting it. If fluorocarbons yield a self repeating process which kills ozone (which it would not do if we hadn't released it in the first place) and prevents another oxygen atom from bonding to a diatomic oxygen( to make more ozone), and in the end leaves that chlorine atom as a...
  9. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Extra, well a number of things to address. I'm not arguing that there isn't any natural phenomena also at work here, quite the opposite. I've only been trying to show you how the manmade portion works. Dobson discovered the waxing and waning of the ozone concentrations in 1956. I remind you now...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    The holes were not discovered in the 50's, the disappearance was discovered. I gave you the standard definition of a hole, and a timeline for the measured Dobson units. It's free data which can be found in many places. 1957 was the International Geophysical Year, when governments around the...
  11. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    What doomsday cult, if you believe that you've been brainwashed. The doomsday cult is the one warning you to put down the kool aid, while Rigaud and Leroy are telling you it's fine and safe to drink.....
  12. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    This article is hysterically funny. When I talked of skeptics and their deceit here we have a prime example. The most glaring is the labeling of ODC's. The majority of the ozone depleting chemicals are MANMADE, we call them fluorocarbons. By the time Pinatubo erupted the holes were already...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    It was 1957 when efforts to measure Ozone first began by most governments around the world, but measurements had been taking place on smaller scales before that.. An Ozone hole is defined as an area of ozone with fewer than 220 Dobson units. The measurements in the Antarctic, where the first...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Climate Change in a Nutshell Climate Change in a Nutshell Some recent postings and questions have compelled me to write down what I think are some of the more crucial aspects which I feel need to be addressed, that and today is a rain day, so no work for me ;) I’m not really sure...
  15. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Now see, I don't pay any attention to those comments by the fringe eco-freaks. Most people will do what they can, because most green technologies offer incentives besides alleviating any weight from your conscience, such as lowered costs and health concerns. The problem lies with what choices...
  16. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Interestingly enough, the CFC problem was solved by a cousin of the Kyoto protocol, the Montreal protocol. Much like the Kyoto protocol, countries like China and India were left out, but I believe they are phasing out the use of CFC's to date, which explains how the long lived chemicals have...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Curio, The entire debate has been politicized since the term was first thought up. The fact that the sides are so entrenched today is a direct result of the players in this dance whipping up friendly media outlets with their respective sides of the story. It will continue for some time I'm...
  18. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Simple science here, greenhouse gases increase temperature. Venus is twice as far from the sun than is Mercury, with an average temperature of 461 Celsius for Venus and 179 for Mercury. We've increased the CO2 in our atmosphere by 30%, and doubled the methane which is a more potent greenhouse...
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    Walleye

    I was wondering if any fishers out there could lend me a hand. If you don't know already, I'm studying Aquaculture at the NSAC in Truro, NS. I've been chatting with my father about aquaculture opportunities out here in Alberta. Specifically what I was interested in, is if anyone has seen...
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    Dinning Alone

    Bravo Hermann!