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  1. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    No, according to the thermometers and satellites. Your persistence in failing to understand how averages works is mind boggling. Here's a set of numbers that corresponds to a change in some parameter over a period of time. 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,5,5,6,7,8,10 The average is 4.4, the value at 8...
  2. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    How many actually claim to be warming the fastest, rather than faster than the globe? Warming faster than the globe just means faster than the average. And as I already explained, there's nothing inconsistent about that. Not one of those actually claims fastest. You have a reading...
  3. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    The products out there which compute an average temperature change for the globe do not factor in anything except the change in temperature, as well as the homogenization of data reporting to remove inconsistencies, and the removal of urban heat bias. So when the North pole warms faster than...
  4. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Hahahah... I actually commented on why there are so many places that outpace the global average, you commented that CRU must be busy, and then you lament that folks like me don't spend more time objectively analyzing the issue? The fantasy is that science can't answer these retarded questions...
  5. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    So, fun fact for the day. The globe includes the oceans, in fact most of the globe (~71%) is ocean. Since water has such a high heat capacity, and there is so much thermal inertia, the ocean warms more slowly. So most places on land will probably warm faster than the global average, due to the...
  6. Tonington

    Stephen Schneider, 1945-2010

    Bio: Profile of Stephen H. Schneider ? PNAS Stephen Schneider - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A eulogy: RealClimate: A Eulogy to Stephen Schneider Comments made in 1979: YouTube - Stephen Schneider in 1979
  7. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    True enough! Proof of concept. I look forward to a day when more conservatives leave the conspiracy nutter stuff behind, and propose actual market based solutions.
  8. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    No, I mean in your explanation, you said it knocks the sodium chloride off to be fixed by carbon (which carbon?), and that frees up other halides. The sodium chloride in saltwater is in solution, so I don't understand what you mean by knocking it off. If it gets fixed to carbon, I don't see...
  9. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    How's that? N + CaCo3Mg knocks the sodium chloride off what? It doesn't matter the solute is, the more you add, the greater the heat capacity of the water will be. There's quite a bit of literature on estuarine impacts from the emptying watersheds. The Gulf of Mexico is particularly well...
  10. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Nitrate is lethal to fish. Dumping inorganic nitrogen will cause algal blooms, and deplete oxygen, killing fish. Sulphur doesn't dissolve in water, so it would end up in the sediment on the bottom, probably a resource for some bacteria.
  11. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    The oceans still are a major uptake. The airborne fraction of our emitted carbon is ~45% if memory serves me. The other 55% is going primarilly into the ocean. I measure the water at work all the time for the fish. Total gas pressure. If it gets too high (after there is a heavy rain, or if we...
  12. Tonington

    Our cooling world

    So to sum it up, urban heat islands exist, but scientists have been aware of this for far longer than UHI has existed as a talking point amongst deniers. Hence the number of papers on homogeneity that you'll find for various data products like HadCRUT, NASA GISStemp, NCDC, and other networks...
  13. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Yep, they write some good stuff too. I think if you're a skeptic, you should have reservations. Even the primary literature, the investigations in journals can be wrong.
  14. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Oh I get my science news from the science press too, but for most people they only get exposed to the big stories that make it to popular print or television news. Like the Venter lab and their "synthetic life" that was blown out of proportion by reporters who didn't understand. It's lamentable...
  15. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Yep, time will tell. There's still a lack of science journalists, even though all media comment on science issues. That's the most disappointing of all, and it's doubtful that it will change.
  16. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Yeah, that line about cognitive dissonance is gold! The National Post is under new management now. Maybe we'll see more open and frank discussions from them, rather than the typified dissonance blather that comes from Corcoran, Solomon, Gunther, and Foster.
  17. Tonington

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Unfortunately for Lawrence, he uses sea ice extent, when trying to debunk shrinking ice caps. Not the same thing. Ice caps are grounded ice, and the two major ice caps are on Greenland and Antarctica. How have they responded with time? The gravity recovery and climate experiment measures the ice...
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Heh, didn't think it was possible, but a writer at the National Post gets it. Bad science: Global-warming deniers are a liability to the conservative cause