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  1. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Ill defined question. As I implied already...
  2. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    What do you mean, what else? That's the only kind of nutation I'm aware of. Certainly the only one I'm aware of that would have any relevance to changing insolation at the the poles.
  3. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Nudges in the wobble of a planet. As the Earth moves around the sun, and our moon around us, the tidal forces are unequally exerting gravitational forces on earth. The wobble of our axis is not smooth because of these nutations, which wouldn't be as bad if our planet were a perfect sphere. The...
  4. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Yes....an apparent enhanced greenhouse. There is an obvious imbalance in energy coming in and going out, there is an obvious rise in carbon dioxide, and there is an obvious isotope ratio which unmistakenly points to fossil combustion. When you consider that the oxygen content in the atmosphere...
  5. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    You're mistaken. We can identify today why a species goes extinct, even though for some in the past we can't conclusively say why. But regardless, you've asked before about the past, and I've given you the links which you obviously didn't read. Milankovitch cycles, and feedbacks. But you don't...
  6. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    I gave a response as worthy as your response in turn deserved. You obviously didn't read any of the papers I linked to. You said you hadn't seen anything conclusive and empirical. I gave you empirical, and pretty much as conclusive as it gets. You quibbled about my choice of words like...
  7. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Should have known that would be a waste of time. You'll never even attempt to read a scientific paper, much less understand a whole string of them which put a coherent narrative together.
  8. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Rational is good judgment, which is to be wise ;)
  9. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    That's what you get for showing humility Anna. Those internet crusaders are ruthless! I personally think admitting that you are ignorant of many things is a sign of wisdom, so let them chew on their Dunning-Kruger self-satisfaction.
  10. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    It seems convincing to me. What would you say about those results then? Here's your chance. It's definitely empirical, so how would you explain all of those findings differently? There is always the possibility that the measurements were wrong. Scientific findings are never absolute, hence the...
  11. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Scientists know what fingerprints are associated with various forcings on the climate. They have found the fingerprint of an apparent enhanced greenhouse warming in our climate system. They know how much of our emissions are being absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial biosphere. They know what...
  12. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Why? I'm interested in helping to make the world a better place than that I inherited from your generation, so that my children won't have to be the ones to make the really tough decisions that someone should have made long before their time. And religious belief has nothing to do with it. Yeah...
  13. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Oh yes? Which indicators make that seem likely?
  14. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    Seems appropriate here:
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Ahh, a lame version of the SUV's on Mars meme favoured by the deniers... If you piss upwind you're gonna get wet. If you piss down wind someone else may get wet. Africa is not the source of the heat trapping pollution; those SUV's, coal fired generators, air conditioned mansions, hair sprays...
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    What to do about global warming

    Yes it is. It causes detrimental effects when the oceans absorb more carbonic acid. The atmospheric levels at the end of this century cause larval fish to swim towards predators during the recruitment phase. Those same levels reduce aragonite (the form of calcium that shellfish use) below a...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Shocker, an opinion without any basis in reality. One of the links isn't even to an article discussing a study (Arctic), and the African study says this very clearly: There is already evidence that Africa is warming faster than the global average, and this is likely to continue (Figure 12)...
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Coldstream's response is the perfect example of how the AGW denial scam works. If you repeat a concise talking point often enough, others will repeat it as truth no matter what the objective truth really is. This is called the big lie, and it is a staple of all forms of denial.
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    The oceans certainly are feeling the effects of man made pollution. All that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere warms the ocean, and warming surface waters produces greater thermoclines. This decreases the deep ocean waters mixing into the surface waters, and they are now finding decreases in...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Ahh, so those look like research papers and studies to you? That explains a lot actually. This is what a research paper looks like: http://epic.awi.de/Publications/Kar2001a.pdf