A Harper majority would harm Canada and the world.
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According to the polls. the majority of Canadians intend not to vote for Harper. But the way our election system works, Harper can still win a majority. A opposition split between three parties against a unified Conservative right could lead to ongoing Conservative majorities.
Canadians who oppose Harper should consider voting pragmatically/strategically.
Canadians who oppose Harper should consider voting pragmatically/strategically.
Conservative governments are a good case for proportional representation. CHP can split the Tory vote too....
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Excuse me?
lovely how you guys have all now discovered the unfairness of the first past the post system......after 13 years of Liberal rule with between 37 and 41 percent of the vote in each election.......
What goes around, comes around......:smile:
There is a problem, I grant you.
Preferential ballot is the answer, IMHO.
lovely how you guys have all now discovered the unfairness of the first past the post system......after 13 years of Liberal rule with between 37 and 41 percent of the vote in each election.......
What goes around, comes around......:smile:
There is a problem, I grant you.
Preferential ballot is the answer, IMHO.
Mine is ONE post ... and I have been a fan of proportional representation (popular vote) for over thirty years now. That screwing I took by Multory and his Free Trade/ GST one-two punches to kill Canadian industry solidified it.
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In a country as large and diverse as Canada, popular vote representation (candidates usually picked from a party list) is suicidal, and undemocratic. At least now we vote for a specific candidate for a specific riding.........
The preferential ballot allows each riding to be represented in Parliament..........but each MP represents a more defined choice of the population..........
...IF that MP is a long-term resident in the riding. Then, he/she has a stake in it. Even so, they can be complete bungholio (Mike Harris)
Funny, EAO, you list these as benefits of socialism....
Harper and the Conservatives support every one.........yet you call them neo-cons.
Doesn't match.
Then you go on:
The last sentence is three lies.....unbelieveable! The marriage debate is over, the Cons will not introduce abortion legislation, and they are against the death penalty.
The least you could do is speak the truth.
Harper and the Conservatives support every one.........yet you call them neo-cons.
Doesn't match.
Then you go on:
The last sentence is three lies.....unbelieveable! The marriage debate is over, the Cons will not introduce abortion legislation, and they are against the death penalty.
The least you could do is speak the truth.
Personally I think in our current system we should abolish political parties. If your voting for a person and not a party, then vote for a person.
Ideally, I would like to see one vote electing two things.
Your vote goes for your local representative, AND , your vote goes towards a proportionatly representative elected senate.
Ideally, I would like to see one vote electing two things.
Your vote goes for your local representative, AND , your vote goes towards a proportionatly representative elected senate.
Colpy, the least you could do is stop being manipulated by neocon propaganda. The neoCons you support, are the same ones who manipulated you into believing Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs, links to al Queda and that the US led invasion has stopped a genocide. Despite the overwhelming evidence that you were wrong about Iraq, you still believe the deceptions.
When are you going to realize that you've been deceived by the neo-con propaganda on nearly every issue of importance. A conservative majority will allow Harper to impose his neocon gay hating, pro-death penalty, anti-abortion agenda on Canadians.
Americans regret electing neoCons like George Bush Jr. We should learn from their mistakes, not repeat them.
Harper's neocons are willing to say what it takes to get a majority. Canadians will see the real Stephen Harper after he wins his majority and we are stuck with him for as long as 5 years. Harper neoCons have no intention of raising certain unpopular items on their agenda before or during an election. They have no intention of blowing their chance at imposing their neocon agenda on Canadians. But Canadians have a right to know how Canada would change if the Conservatives win a majority and where the neocon Harper hidden agenda leads:
Hidden Agenda Item 1: The Death Penalty
Harper neo-cons have researched this issue and know only about 20% of Canadians support the death penalty.
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/273531
If they were against the death penalty, they would not be telling the Americans to go ahead and execute Canadians.
Harper's neocons can't be for the death penalty in the US, and against it in Canada.
Hidden Agenda Item 2
Repeal Homosexual Rights, including Same Sex Marriage
Hidden Agenda Item 3
Abortion
Harper is deliberately coy about the abortion issue. But you can tell where he stands on this issue by how he votes. Harper and a majority of neoCon conservatives voted against awarding Dr. Morgentaler the Order of Canada and in favor of the "Unborn Victims of Crime Act" which was in reality an attempt to criminalize abortion by the back door.
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/action/list-antichoice-mps.html#f3
Harper's stand on this issue is that once he has a majority, he will allow a private member to introduce a bill criminalizing abortion. That's when we will find out where Harper officially stands on this subject. But considering that a majority of conservatives support criminalizing abortion, its a safe bet that a conservative majority will get around to criminalizing abortion.
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Abolish political parties would be an improvement. That's how Nunavut works. I'd also be in favor of requiring that MP's win at least 50%+1. That means the election in two polls. The first to advance the top two candidates, the second to determine a winner.
You are so wrong.
from your own link :
Now I'm gonna tell you why you are wrong: one simple fact: the conservatives want to get elected again.....and again.......and again. Bringing in policies supported by only 20% of the people is political suicide.
As for abortion, so what if Harper allows a private member's bill, and a free vote?.....as it would have to be......do you have a problem with democracy? And it would lose, and Harper is a political strategist........he would not want it to pass, too divisive, too dangerous........BTW, did you know we are the only western nation without an abortion law?
As for gay marriage, Harper said it already...."The debate is over". And, even when it was hot, Harper supported civil unions....marriage in all but name. hardly "gay hating".
These are beginning to look less and less like simple political delusions on your part, and more and more like deliberate falsifications. That is not acceptable, EAO.
BTW, a major part of the world thought Iraq had WMD, as Saddam had used them, and was in violation of the truce he signed after the first Gulf War........something you guys conviniently forget. And, I don't really give a damn if he had them or not....Death to Tyrants!
....Death to Tyrants!
Will you stand by those words after four years of "Common Sense"?
Only at the ballot box....wonderful thing about western democracies....saves on ammunition too.
You are so wrong.
from your own link :
Now I'm gonna tell you why you are wrong: one simple fact: the conservatives want to get elected again.....and again.......and again. Bringing in policies supported by only 20% of the people is political suicide.
As for abortion, so what if Harper allows a private member's bill, and a free vote?.....as it would have to be......do you have a problem with democracy? And it would lose, and Harper is a political strategist........he would not want it to pass, too divisive, too dangerous........BTW, did you know we are the only western nation without an abortion law?
As for gay marriage, Harper said it already...."The debate is over". And, even when it was hot, Harper supported civil unions....marriage in all but name. hardly "gay hating".
These are beginning to look less and less like simple political delusions on your part, and more and more like deliberate falsifications. That is not acceptable, EAO.
BTW, a major part of the world thought Iraq had WMD, as Saddam had used them, and was in violation of the truce he signed after the first Gulf War........something you guys conviniently forget. And, I don't really give a damn if he had them or not....Death to Tyrants!
That's a nicely crafted post, notice how it relies exclusivly on accusations of impropriety and barely veiled suggestions of mental retardation. :smile:
How about "the agenda they aren't campaigning on, but the one they will impose on us once they have a majority because that is their record"
Bring back Tariffs.
It is not at all surprising that Stephen Harper would say that 'Ontario is the last place to start an industry..' [ Ontario has a Liberal government... ]
It was a Tory Government that gave us free trade.. which has led to the loss of hundreds of small to mid size companies in all of Canada. Which has led to the decimation of the blue collar working class. Do you see a lot of people asking for money on the street?
Selling global free trade to a benevolent populace on the twisted truth that it would equalize the global economy.. yes, it is doing that, creating a downward spiral in the North American economy; as goods pour in from offshore manufacturers, more and more Canadian companies [US companies as well] are going under..
When the government allowed this, the honest part of the public announcement may have been that it would create a more level 'playing field' for manufacture, that it would allow third world countries to develop industry..
The lie by omission was that the populace was expected to and did assume the result would be a raising of the economy of the world.. when in fact what has happened, predictably.. is the lowering of the North American economies..
A North American market base of 4 hundred million is not sufficient to raise a global economy of over six billion people.. that is simply the case. And you can't tell me nobody in the Fraser Institute saw that coming.
What we got is cheap goods for awhile, as the industries died, or were eaten by other, bigger companies..
What they maybe didn't see coming, was China. And perhaps, that is a good thing.
Now, what needs to be done, is the reinstitution of a tariff on goods made outside our country. Surprising, how our politicians have never broached that topic.. I'd vote for that.
Such a tariff would be equal to the amount similar goods would be taxed if made in Canada, and the funds should be allocated to restarting our own industry.
It is not at all surprising that Stephen Harper would say that 'Ontario is the last place to start an industry..' [ Ontario has a Liberal government... ]
It was a Tory Government that gave us free trade.. which has led to the loss of hundreds of small to mid size companies in all of Canada. Which has led to the decimation of the blue collar working class. Do you see a lot of people asking for money on the street?
Selling global free trade to a benevolent populace on the twisted truth that it would equalize the global economy.. yes, it is doing that, creating a downward spiral in the North American economy; as goods pour in from offshore manufacturers, more and more Canadian companies [US companies as well] are going under..
When the government allowed this, the honest part of the public announcement may have been that it would create a more level 'playing field' for manufacture, that it would allow third world countries to develop industry..
The lie by omission was that the populace was expected to and did assume the result would be a raising of the economy of the world.. when in fact what has happened, predictably.. is the lowering of the North American economies..
A North American market base of 4 hundred million is not sufficient to raise a global economy of over six billion people.. that is simply the case. And you can't tell me nobody in the Fraser Institute saw that coming.
What we got is cheap goods for awhile, as the industries died, or were eaten by other, bigger companies..
What they maybe didn't see coming, was China. And perhaps, that is a good thing.
Now, what needs to be done, is the reinstitution of a tariff on goods made outside our country. Surprising, how our politicians have never broached that topic.. I'd vote for that.
Such a tariff would be equal to the amount similar goods would be taxed if made in Canada, and the funds should be allocated to restarting our own industry.