Best for America..Obama or McCain?

[EagleSmack]

McCain also crashed not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 but 5 planes.

Ok... I like this spin...

5 Crashes...

Crash 1

1958...Crashed while practicing landings. Agreed... He crashed

Crash 2

He collided with some power lines... but the plane did not crash. Do we still count is as a crash? Why not!

Crash 3

He had a flameout and had to eject. Ok...well, that is a crash albeit not his fault.

Crash 4

This is my favorite. McCaine was parked in his A-4 when a missle was accidently fired from another plane and hit his plane. Is this really a crash? He was not even flying. But too the ones seeking to discredit McCaine...

WHO CARES! Lets call it a crash!

Crash 5

Hit by a SAM over Vietnam. I think the North Vietnamese had a little to do with this one don't you?

 

[EagleSmack]

Some other anti-McCaine sites are blaming John McCaine for the fire on the USS Forrestall. How pathetic. He had absolutley NOTHING to do with it but to the Lib attackers...who cares.

Just lie and make people THINK he is responsible for the deaths of over 130 sailors.

John McCain was sitting in his parked aircraft off the coast of Vietnam awaiting his turn in the launch. A sailor sitting in a parked F-4 accidently fired a missle and it shot across the deck hitting McCaine's plane. It hit the fuel tank and burst into flames. McCaine jumped from his plane before the bombs exploded.

Now how in the HECK is that his fault?

 

[Colpy]

Ok... I like this spin...

5 Crashes...

Crash 1

1958...Crashed while practicing landings. Agreed... He crashed

Crash 2

He collided with some power lines... but the plane did not crash. Do we still count is as a crash? Why not!

Crash 3

He had a flameout and had to eject. Ok...well, that is a crash albeit not his fault.

Crash 4

This is my favorite. McCaine was parked in his A-4 when a missle was accidently fired from another plane and hit his plane. Is this really a crash? He was not even flying. But too the ones seeking to discredit McCaine...

WHO CARES! Lets call it a crash!

Crash 5

Hit by a SAM over Vietnam. I think the North Vietnamese had a little to do with this one don't you?

Some other anti-McCaine sites are blaming John McCaine for the fire on the USS Forrestall. How pathetic. He had absolutley NOTHING to do with it but to the Lib attackers...who cares.

Just lie and make people THINK he is responsible for the deaths of over 130 sailors.

John McCain was sitting in his parked aircraft off the coast of Vietnam awaiting his turn in the launch. A sailor sitting in a parked F-4 accidently fired a missle and it shot across the deck hitting McCaine's plane. It hit the fuel tank and burst into flames. McCaine jumped from his plane before the bombs exploded.

Now how in the HECK is that his fault?

Thanks ES........I thought five sounded kinda high ......I don't think the Navy really would appreciate you using up their hardware in quite that cavalier a fashion.

But you know, McCain's military record has to be smeared..........

 

[EagleSmack]

This gets even better...

I did some checking and they said McCaine was "hotdogging" it with a "wet start" on the flight deck. It goes on to say that his "wet start" shook up the F-4 pilot behind him causing him to fire a missle.

To the uneducated...sounds reasonable... let's go with the story!

But the fact of the matter is that McCaine's A-4 Skyhawk was at the edge of the flight deck with it's engine over the sea. Now if McCaine was trying to spook the F-4 pilot behind him...that would mean that the F-4 Phantom was HOVERING over the ocean!

Ah yes...another conspiracy. The USN was using VSTOL F-4's!

 

[Praxius]

Some other anti-McCaine sites are blaming John McCaine for the fire on the USS Forrestall. How pathetic. He had absolutley NOTHING to do with it but to the Lib attackers...who cares.

Just lie and make people THINK he is responsible for the deaths of over 130 sailors.

John McCain was sitting in his parked aircraft off the coast of Vietnam awaiting his turn in the launch. A sailor sitting in a parked F-4 accidently fired a missle and it shot across the deck hitting McCaine's plane. It hit the fuel tank and burst into flames. McCaine jumped from his plane before the bombs exploded.

Now how in the HECK is that his fault?

That's some pretty fancy footwork for him to escape unharmed, while 130 others around him died..... esspecially when the missile smacked his plane..... or so they say.

What about his own biography where he talked about not bothering to listen to his instructors about how to open the cockpit to escape in an emergency? He crashed and he almost killed himself because he couldn't remember how to open the cockpit to escape, so he had to jimmy it open.....

A guy who doesn't bother to read the operations manual before going into action? There's a great leader for the country.

"Whatever you do, don't push that Red Button Mr. President."

"Oh, what? Why? I already pushed it 5 minutes ago before you guys came in. I thought it was one of those Staples Business Depot Buttons that said 'Wow, that was easy.'"

 

[EagleSmack]

That's some pretty fancy footwork for him to escape unharmed, while 130 others around him died..... esspecially when the missile smacked his plane..... or so they say.

So they say? They have films of it! What do you think started the fire then? They even show the missle leaving the F-4. Then all of a sudden McCaines plane is ablaze. It doesn't take a scientist to put the two together.

Oh...wait...it could be a conspiracy! Faked films...aircraft carriers rigged to explode to continue the war in Vietnam...McCaine's Daddy wanting his son to be Pesident so he rigged the F-4!

 

[B00Mer]

Yeah, I did read.

Yeah, deficit spending is lunacy.....both Obama and McCain will continue it, but McCain probably less so.

Yes, the USA needs universal health care. Good luck. Especially with their finances a mess.

Obama voted for a ban on handguns and for the continuation of partial birth abortions. Both domestic issues last time I looked.

McCain will work with both parties and has, on immigration and on torture legislation.....to name just two. Obama is so far left he scares the hell out of most Republicans, while McCain is much closer to the centre of the US political spectrum....so who is the unifier?

McCain is better for the US internally as well as in foreign affairs...

:hello1: :hello1:

Perfectly said. McCain/Palin 08

 

[B00Mer]

That's some pretty fancy footwork for him to escape unharmed, while 130 others around him died..... esspecially when the missile smacked his plane..... or so they say.

So you would just sit in the plane and slow cook. Winner!!

If a missle hit my plane I would be finding safe ground. It's better to get myself to safety so I can turn around and help, vs. getting stuck and being the cause of another persons death while they try to rescue me.

H2S Ticket in the Oil Patch, get yourself to safety, notify others, put on safety equipment before trying to rescue others. Don't become a victim, don't be the cause of another rescue workers death or injury because you wanted to play hero.

Something that is taught at a real job, other than McDonalds Restaurant or a 7/11 Praxius.

 

[B00Mer]

Well, McCain spent several years in a government institution in a communist country, so there ya go.

As a political prisoner in the service of his country. Great example, talk about self ownage. :roll:

 

[quandary121]

To be fair, Quandry didn't say anything about McCain stealing the election.

Thankyou Avro i think Eaglesmack just likes to disagree or condemn anything i post he has a fascination with me i think ,that is rather perturbing.
on both Obama and McCain i think Obama has shown to much liking for Hillary Clinton,and will behave much as she would do,and McCain is too much of a loose cannon to be taken seriously,as with elections over here the other candidates are never shown on the media, and the ones they show are nearly always the ones that get in ,people don't get to hear what other candidates have to say, and this bias in the media does not give the chance, to those who could and would make great changes.

 

[Avro]

Some other anti-McCaine sites are blaming John McCaine for the fire on the USS Forrestall. How pathetic. He had absolutley NOTHING to do with it but to the Lib attackers...who cares.

Just lie and make people THINK he is responsible for the deaths of over 130 sailors.

John McCain was sitting in his parked aircraft off the coast of Vietnam awaiting his turn in the launch. A sailor sitting in a parked F-4 accidently fired a missle and it shot across the deck hitting McCaine's plane. It hit the fuel tank and burst into flames. McCaine jumped from his plane before the bombs exploded.

Now how in the HECK is that his fault?

About as legit as the attacks on Kerry by the right.

 

[Praxius]

So you would just sit in the plane and slow cook. Winner!!

If a missle hit my plane I would be finding safe ground. It's better to get myself to safety so I can turn around and help, vs. getting stuck and being the cause of another persons death while they try to rescue me.

H2S Ticket in the Oil Patch, get yourself to safety, notify others, put on safety equipment before trying to rescue others. Don't become a victim, don't be the cause of another rescue workers death or injury because you wanted to play hero.

Something that is taught at a real job, other than McDonalds Restaurant or a 7/11 Praxius.

Oh wow, thanks for that educational tid bit, I feel so enlightened.

All I was saying that the odds are certainly interesting, considdering he was at the centre of the whole situation.... out of the 135 odd people who died, he made it out.

Then again, that footage wasn't all that crisp in detail, anybody positive that wasn't his plane that fired the missile and they just didn't switch the records to cover his fathers' arse and reputation? I mean those things are ment to blow the snot out of what they hit, and those planes don't hold up very well against them..... usually people tend to die in those things.

Oh yeah, just looked at all the available footage of what occured, and guess what? There's no actual footage of the initial contact / missile fired.... just a camera swinging towards the already existing fire.

Two bombs goes off right beside him, everybody else dies around him, except him? Give me a break.

Yeah what a hero.... he's superman, not burned, no scars to prove it, everybody else died except him and he made it out in one piece.

That sure is some sound and hard evidence...... grainy video, black blobs representing people, contradicting details of how it occured.

But then again, I suppose if you blow up the footage like they do in CSI, you can see his face perfectly clear, proving that was indeed him :roll: Sure sure....

 

[Praxius]

So they say? They have films of it! What do you think started the fire then? They even show the missle leaving the F-4. Then all of a sudden McCaines plane is ablaze. It doesn't take a scientist to put the two together.

By all means, show me that footage you speak of with the missile actually being fired, because all I saw was the one camera they had on the deck (No other angles shown) swinging away from the take off area, back to the fire already going.

Oh...wait...it could be a conspiracy! Faked films...aircraft carriers rigged to explode to continue the war in Vietnam...McCaine's Daddy wanting his son to be Pesident so he rigged the F-4!

Conspiracy? Probably.... by the reasons you listed above? Hardly.

But of course, if you exaggerate with stupid concepts like the above, you can make any idea sound silly.

I question which aircraft he was in.... the one that took the hit or the one which fired.

Considdering McCain, the idiot, couldn't figure out how to open his cockpit in an emergency, it's not that far of a stretch that he pushed the wrong button and fired the missile, and that they covered it up to keep his daddy's name in good reputation, as well as his.

Wouldn't be the first time the US has edited information to suit certain objectives..... and from McCain's own words from his mouth and the details surrounding his joke of a career as a pilot, I'd think he's the most capable of such a blunder.

Then again, you guys can just vote him into the office and see how good he does there..... yet another 4-8 years of a screw up president with a fake military background.

 

[Colpy]

By all means, show me that footage you speak of with the missile actually being fired, because all I saw was the one camera they had on the deck (No other angles shown) swinging away from the take off area, back to the fire already going.



Conspiracy? Probably.... by the reasons you listed above? Hardly.

But of course, if you exaggerate with stupid concepts like the above, you can make any idea sound silly.

I question which aircraft he was in.... the one that took the hit or the one which fired.

Considdering McCain, the idiot, couldn't figure out how to open his cockpit in an emergency, it's not that far of a stretch that he pushed the wrong button and fired the missile, and that they covered it up to keep his daddy's name in good reputation, as well as his.

Wouldn't be the first time the US has edited information to suit certain objectives..... and from McCain's own words from his mouth and the details surrounding his joke of a career as a pilot, I'd think he's the most capable of such a blunder.

Then again, you guys can just vote him into the office and see how good he does there..... yet another 4-8 years of a screw up president with a fake military background.

Now, Praxius, you are sinking fast here.......

McCain's military record is exemplary.

His behaviour under duress was heroic.

Lies and innuendo are the last refuge of a scoundrel......do you have the slightest thing to back them up?

It seems the only fact you have is that McCain had trouble getting out of a cockpit....SO WHAT????!!!!

Quit trolling, try to engage in some real debate, please.

 

[Colpy]

About as legit as the attacks on Kerry by the right.

Except some of the attacks on Kerry actually had some basis in fact...........

I have no doubt Mr. Kerry earned his medal for bravery......but there is some question about one of his Purple Hearts being awarded for a (accidentally) self-inflicted wound......

 

[B00Mer]

Oh wow, thanks for that educational tid bit, I feel so enlightened.

All I was saying that the odds are certainly interesting, considdering he was at the centre of the whole situation.... out of the 135 odd people who died, he made it out.

Then again, that footage wasn't all that crisp in detail, anybody positive that wasn't his plane that fired the missile and they just didn't switch the records to cover his fathers' arse and reputation? I mean those things are ment to blow the snot out of what they hit, and those planes don't hold up very well against them..... usually people tend to die in those things.

Oh yeah, just looked at all the available footage of what occured, and guess what? There's no actual footage of the initial contact / missile fired.... just a camera swinging towards the already existing fire.

Two bombs goes off right beside him, everybody else dies around him, except him? Give me a break.

Yeah what a hero.... he's superman, not burned, no scars to prove it, everybody else died except him and he made it out in one piece.

That sure is some sound and hard evidence...... grainy video, black blobs representing people, contradicting details of how it occured.

But then again, I suppose if you blow up the footage like they do in CSI, you can see his face perfectly clear, proving that was indeed him :roll: Sure sure....

Jesus dude, where is your tin foil hat. :roll:

I suppose 9/11 was an inside job too... :lol:

 

[Colpy]

Jesus dude, where is your tin foil hat. :roll:

I suppose 9/11 was an inside job too... :lol:

For God's sake, man!

Don't bring THAT up!

Geezus!

 

[gopher]

"but McCain probably less so"

Historically, it is the Republicans who spend more and create higher deficits.




"political prisoner in the service of his country"


Vietnam vets against McCain:

 

[quandary121]

Now, Praxius, you are sinking fast here.......

McCain's military record is exemplary.

His behaviour under duress was heroic.

Lies and innuendo are the last refuge of a scoundrel......do you have the slightest thing to back them up?

It seems the only fact you have is that McCain had trouble getting out of a cockpit....SO WHAT????!!!!

Quit trolling, try to engage in some real debate, please.

http://TheRealMcCain.com/ The REAL John McCain is a multi-millionaire who owns ten luxurious homes. The REAL John McCain backs President Bush's tax cuts for big corporations. The REAL John McCain empathizes only with the interests of our nation's wealthy minority, not its money-strapped majority. But far too many are buying into McCain's deceit
as are you COLPY

 

[I think not]

I would rather we blow up Congress during a State of the Union address and be forced to start from scratch.

But since I only have two options, I will go with Obama being best for America during this time, although I can't see McCain being Bush under any circumstances.

While I do not agree with everything Obama supports, he has brought up certain issues I find to be very important that McCain btw, hasn't even mentioned, like a complete overhaul of our infrastructure, adding high speed rail across the country and balancing our budget. Not a peep from McCain on any of these issues.

Having said this, if Obama is elected, Canadians will go ballistic, because Obama, as a liberal, and as the liberal philosophy goes, is highly protectionists in trade, but then again, Canadians are pretty liberal, so the saying "be careful what you wish for, you may get it" will most certainly apply if Obama gets elected. Watch how fast Iraq drops from Canadian radar when they can't export a fraction of the goods they do now to the US.

Of course, this is all just my own theory.