'Russia is fighting a war with us': Georgian president

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Regardless of what brought this about the Russians have been poised for an opportunity like this for the last year or so. They want those independent Republics back under their control.
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True.

Oh BS!!!! It was a set up! I can't believe your ruling elite are that f**king stupid.

"Western television didn't show what happened in Tskhinvali," Gorbachev said. "Only now they're beginning to show some pictures of the destruction. So this looks to me like it was a well-prepared project. And with any outcome, they wanted to put the blame on Russia."
 

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Video: Georgian TV reporter shot by Russian sniper during live broadcast carries on with her report with bleeding arm


By Sam Greenhill
Last updated at 8:50 AM on 15th August 2008
This is the dramatic moment a TV reporter was shot by a sniper as she reported live from war-torn Georgia.
Tamara Urushadze took a bullet to her left arm in the flashpoint town of Gori as Russian forces continued their illegal occupation.
Bravely, or foolishly, the 32-year-old brunette continued her report after a few moments as other journalists and aid workers dashed for cover.
Georgian journalist shot during live coverage
A Georgian journalist got shot by a sniper when doing live coverage near the entrance of Gori.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4eyQ5Maqf80
 

Zzarchov

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Now, wait a minute DL,

How could the attack have occurred before one Russian soldier set foot in South Ossetia when the Russians never really left the Area after the fall of the USSR and have had official peacekeepers there since, 92 I believe.

Russia is supporting a breakaway republic, right or wrong, I could agree with their side if they don't trumpet every chance they get that breakaway republics are illegal and always remain under the control of their parent government.

This is their reasoning in Serbia. But it becomes pretty apparent their real reasoning is "Pro-Russian nations have our support in their internal policies and anti-russian nations have our army meddling in their internal policies"
 

normbc9

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In spite of all the rhetoric and posturing in the media Russia will leave when they are ready and at their leisure, not at some other nations insistence. The UN is a formal funds drain, the EU President claims they got it all settled (it isn't) and now the US is making demands it cannot support. This may signal the start of some other limited military actions in the neighborhood too.
 

Northboy

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What Putin? In Russia already another president, and , you also do not know what else can I say here? You do not know that Putin is not now Russian President!!! (OMG LOL)

You do not see that happening HERE, YOU - do not see!

Georgian troops shot civilians in their homes!

You like a Americans, who only eat fastfood and nothing know what was happening in the world.

So you're specially registered here to provide us with the Russian side? Good I may have a few questions for you in the days ahead.

As for making the assumption that we are like Americans, well we do live next door.

Are there people in the Ukraine that resemble Russians? probably, but I wouldn't let my imagination run wild if I were you....A miscalculation.

If I have a dialogue with you, how far up does it go? I just want to know who I'm talking to...
 

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Video: Georgian TV reporter shot by Russian sniper during live broadcast carries on with her report with bleeding arm


By Sam Greenhill
Last updated at 8:50 AM on 15th August 2008
This is the dramatic moment a TV reporter was shot by a sniper as she reported live from war-torn Georgia.
Tamara Urushadze took a bullet to her left arm in the flashpoint town of Gori as Russian forces continued their illegal occupation.
Bravely, or foolishly, the 32-year-old brunette continued her report after a few moments as other journalists and aid workers dashed for cover.
Georgian journalist shot during live coverage
A Georgian journalist got shot by a sniper when doing live coverage near the entrance of Gori.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4eyQ5Maqf80

K, that sounds like a load of bullsh*t and propaganda:

#1 - If it was truly a sniper, they wouldn't have shot her in her arm, she would simply be dead with a big crator in her head or chest and guts/brains all over the camera man.

#2 - If it was a sniper, you wouldn't have seen them... and if you can't see the sniper, how do you know if it was Russian or Georgian?

But it's so much more easier to blame the Russians.... it worked for so many decades past, why not now? :roll:
 

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In spite of all the rhetoric and posturing in the media Russia will leave when they are ready and at their leisure, not at some other nations insistence. The UN is a formal funds drain, the EU President claims they got it all settled (it isn't) and now the US is making demands it cannot support. This may signal the start of some other limited military actions in the neighborhood too.

There have been limited military actions all over Eurasia since long before Christ wore three-corner pants. If the big kids would stay out of it, they soon tire of their hissy fits. As long as one of them has a rich uncle's ear at the pity party....
 

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Now, wait a minute DL,

How could the attack have occurred before one Russian soldier set foot in South Ossetia when the Russians never really left the Area after the fall of the USSR and have had official peacekeepers there since, 92 I believe.

Last I checked, Peacekeepers don't start wars, and if the Russian peacekeepers started this conflict, we would have heard about that long before we heard Georgians attacking, and much longer before we heard Russians stepping in with their military.

Russia is supporting a breakaway republic, right or wrong, I could agree with their side if they don't trumpet every chance they get that breakaway republics are illegal and always remain under the control of their parent government.

Which I feel is bullsh*t as well, as if a country claims to be a democracy, if any provience or state wants to leave, that should be their right to do so.... they shouldn't have to resort to military action to keep their independance, but they did, and they won, and Georgia got the boot 18 years or so ago...... yet here they come again, trying to oppress those two proviences and claim them as their own..... when clearly they haven't been in control of them in 18 years.... they don't want to be controlled, so why the hell should the West be defending Georgia's attacks?

Because Georgia is backed by the US? That's turned into a lame excuse as of late.
 
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Praxius

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In spite of all the rhetoric and posturing in the media Russia will leave when they are ready and at their leisure, not at some other nations insistence. The UN is a formal funds drain, the EU President claims they got it all settled (it isn't) and now the US is making demands it cannot support. This may signal the start of some other limited military actions in the neighborhood too.

Agreed. The US can't do squat, which is why they're just shooting their mouths at this time, and the UN will take forever to figure out which way is their ass, and which way is their brains before they take any action, NATO has no involvment or responsibilities for this situation, and the EU is trying to make a peace deal, but certainly won't send in any forces either.

It's all a load of talk and finger pointing at this point..... as I said before, this is only going to be dealt with between Georgia and Russia... and with any luck, Russia will win.

The only way any other country can seriously step in, is if NATO illegally gets involved, which would break the whole organization up and become history..... or the US sent their forces to break it all up and be used as body sheilds...... but that won't happen, because that would require them pulling troops from Iraq, Afghanistan and from their concentration on Iran..... and if they do that, they may secure Georgia, but then they risk losing everything else they've been trying to corrupt.

Russia should just flatten Georgia and be done with it..... I first thought "Sure, defend and keep those two provinces" Now I just think "Take the whole place over and remove the threat so we don't have to hear this crap again."

The US seems to be perfectly fine doing this anytime they wish, why not Russia?
 

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Now, wait a minute DL,

How could the attack have occurred before one Russian soldier set foot in South Ossetia when the Russians never really left the Area after the fall of the USSR and have had official peacekeepers there since, 92 I believe.
Hi, Zzarchov;
I see my friend Praxius has already explained this to you.... they are there as peace keepers.
Russia is supporting a breakaway republic, right or wrong, I could agree with their side if they don't trumpet every chance they get that breakaway republics are illegal and always remain under the control of their parent government.
If you are thinking of Chechnya, yes, that was an awful war!! Gruesome on both sides! But that was mainly under Yeltsin, wasn't it? Albeit Putin didn't treat the Chechens with kindness either.

I can totally understand and justify Russia coming to the aid of their own people; in this case especially, because the attack is instigated by the US. How wise it is we will have to judge at a later time, when the smoke is gone and the lines are more clearly defined.
This is their reasoning in Serbia. But it becomes pretty apparent their real reasoning is "Pro-Russian nations have our support in their internal policies and anti-russian nations have our army meddling in their internal policies"
Oh, Oh...they must have been looking over the US' shoulder!!!;-)
 

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Additional Report:

Georgians: Russian tanks still advancing on targets
U.S. says no chance it will send troops
http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/World/1073259.html

GORI, Georgia — Georgia’s president said Thursday that a column of Russian tanks and other vehicles was moving toward the country’s second-largest city, and that Russian forces already control a third of Georgian territory.

Mikhail Saakashvili, speaking to foreign reporters in the capital in an appeal for international help, said the convoy was about halfway between the western cities of Senaki and Kutaisi.

"We have no idea what they’re doing," Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said of the Russian column. "One explanation could be they are trying to rattle the civilian population."

The developments came on a day that Russia’s foreign minister declared Georgia could "forget about" regaining two separatist provinces.

In Washington, U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates said he saw no need to invoke military force in the war.

"The United States spent 45 years working very hard to avoid a military confrontation with Russia," said Gates. "I see no reason to change that approach today."

That's because #1 - You ain't got a Military to use and #2 - You'd lose.

The US is spread all over the place and is shot all to hell, not to mention low recruitment and piss poor training recently.... meanwhile, Russia has had plenty of time to build itself back up.... the US wouldn't stand a chance unless the US relied on Nuking Russia..... and that would just simply be very stupid..... but I wouldn't put it passed the US.

Thursday’s events presented a huge challenge to the EU-sponsored ceasefire agreement designed to end seven days of fighting that began after Georgia launched a military assault in an attempt to regain control of the breakaway province of South Ossetia.

The accord had envisaged Russian and Georgian forces returning to their original positions, which would put Georgian forces back in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, another breakaway region that has thrown off Georgian rule.

"One can forget about any talk about Georgia’s territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state," Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told reporters as Russia’s president met in the Kremlin with the separatist leaders.

The Bush administration said it will ignore the "bluster" from Russia about the separatist regions.

Of course the Bush Administration will ignore them.... they'll ignore and trvialize anything that doesn't suit their insane agendas... fk'wit-nut-bag-arseholes.

However, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice headed to Georgia to ask the U.S. ally to sign a ceasefire agreement with Russia that includes apparent concessions to Moscow but preserves Georgian borders, a U.S. official said.

Ain't gonna happen ConArtist RiceBrains..... You can't expect Russia to just let Georgia act the way they did, lose, and then not suffer any consequences for their actions..... typical American Mentality.... never accepting responsibility.

Georgia screwed up.... The US Screwed up.... now the both of them and suck it up and deal with the outcome. Dumbasses.

The pact fleshes out a French-brokered agreement giving Russian peacekeepers the express right to patrol beyond South Ossetia, the disputed border region at the heart of the conflict.

Because allowing their peacekeepers there in the first place stopped Georgia before? What kind of a screwed up deal is that?

Still, analysts said there were holes in the EU plan to end the war between Georgia and Russia.

Duh

Robert Hunter, former ambassador to NATO under former president Bill Clinton, said the EU plan has halted much of the fighting but commits the Russians to very little.

"As it stands, this proposal leaves the Russians in total control," he told The AP in New York. "There is nothing in here about the inviolability of Georgia’s frontiers," which he said lets Russia move forward on absorbing the separatist regions.

Well Georgia certainly isn't getting them back.... hell, they never had them in the first place.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Thursday he’s deeply troubled by what he called Russia’s Soviet era mentality to exert control over countries outside its borders.

"I must tell you that I am deeply troubled by a notion I see developing in Russia, and that is a notion that Russia somehow has a say or some control over countries outside of its borders," Harper said at press conference in Cupids, NL.

Oh Harper, that's the last nail in the coffin for you, you dumb arsed pea-brain poop scoop.

"I must tell you that I am deeply troubled by a notion I see developing in Russia, and that is a notion that Russia somehow has a say or some control over countries outside of its borders"

^ REAAAAALLLLYYY?????

The United States thinks they can do this..... holy fok people.... our own leaders will certainly be the death of us unless something is done.

I would personally suggest in the next election to not vote Liberal or Conservative, since both are responsible for the current messes our country has been thrown into... hell at this point, I'm willing to let the NDP take over..... at least by them, we wouldn't have been in Afghanistan in the first place.
 

Zzarchov

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Hi, Zzarchov;
I see my friend Praxius has already explained this to you.... they are there as peace keepers.If you are thinking of Chechnya, yes, that was an awful war!! Gruesome on both sides! But that was mainly under Yeltsin, wasn't it? Albeit Putin didn't treat the Chechens with kindness either.

I can totally understand and justify Russia coming to the aid of their own people; in this case especially, because the attack is instigated by the US. How wise it is we will have to judge at a later time, when the smoke is gone and the lines are more clearly defined.Oh, Oh...they must have been looking over the US' shoulder!!!;-)

Actually they stayed there as peacekeepers.

They started there as soldiers backing the rebels (why South Ossetia, with its population of 70,000, had managed to keep all of Georgia out). Georgia didn't accept a ceasefire with a tiny population of extremists, Russia threatened to invade and conquer all of Georgia if Georgia did not concede to Russian demands of Autonomy for the two regions, and the stationing of large contingents of Russian soldiers.

And lets also remember of this 70,000 people, large chunks of them including great swathes of the government of South Ossetia decided to rejoin Georgia. South Ossettia is known as a "checkerboard" because about half of it, intermingled, are Georgian controlled and administered towns.

Russia is not some blameless victim here, it provided military intervention in 1992 that caused this problem in the first place.
 

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The Russian's and the Georgian's have signed the Cease Fire now. It includes a six mile border corridor for Russian troop. Now I'll bet I know where those troops in the interior will back off to. The six mile corridor of course. I did read Dancing Loons comments and checked as best I could. Loon has some pretty good informnation which isn't being played by the media. But... when has the media had it right when they were getting their information from the governments involved?
 
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I honestly skipped all the previous posts..went straight to the last one, and posted this.

Somehow, this is the US's fault right?

Somehow, someway, everyones moral compas has been thrown out the window, and hatred of GW Bush has allowed everyone to overlook the fact that the (leaders of) Russians have been nasty folks since Ivan the Terrible, correct?

No matter that the Russians started kicking the Georgians asses back in 1921 and continued to kick said ass until 1991, gave em a 17 year break, and are now back in that ass...

In some way, ex - KGB people are now justified in their rape of Georgia because 9/11 was an inside job or something, right?


Anyways, now I'll go back to the beginning and see if I was wrong...
 

thomaska

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Forget about Putin's ok? What you are adhering to it.

We are now talking about a war in South Ossetia, but what I read now in the first message, which quoted Saakashvili, I realized that this is complete nonsense, and people hang noodles on the ears, misinformed them. Saakashvili is not the first time, accuses Russia of any action, and believe this is complete nonsense, all that he says.

I meant to read through the entire thread, but the "noodles on the ears" thing...funny stuff there...

Don't worry about those Russian Flags on the sea floor either...
 

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The Russian's and the Georgian's have signed the Cease Fire now. It includes a six mile border corridor for Russian troop. Now I'll bet I know where those troops in the interior will back off to. The six mile corridor of course. I did read Dancing Loons comments and checked as best I could. Loon has some pretty good informnation which isn't being played by the media. But... when has the media had it right when they were getting their information from the governments involved?
Thank you for the flowers, Norm!:-| It's not often I get something right.

I went through Beaver's link and want to leave this...
We appeal to all the political forces of Georgia, the social movements and the people of Georgia to unite in order to free the country from the Russian-phobic and pro-fascist anti-popular regime of Saakashvili!
Too bad, the CIA picked a bad apple!:roll:
 

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u know, i wouldnt b surprised if americans tried to stick their big noses in it. mind ur own business and let Russia work it out for themselves. damn its no wonder u have so many freakin problems!! *is yelling at no one*
 

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I spent some time looking at the photo's of the spent hulls of the miltary machines in the media today. Some of it is very difficlut to tell what it was but I did see some old US Armored Troop Carriers in a good shot. So, the presence of US trainers tells me we have our nose right in there and will try to keep it there too. I did hear that the US wants to take charge of the Georgian seaports. This could pose a problem for the US forces committed to other endeavors. They are stretched too thin now and maybe we're getting ready to bite off more than we can chew. Again, oil must figure prominently into this equation.