Poll: Many in world look to US election .

china

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earth_as_one

Canadians understand the US better than most Chinese.
Canadians understand China better than most Americans.
But Canadians don't understand Canada ( and its potentials) therefore they,are not in position to understand anyone else .
Ok ,Chretian told Canadians that that Canada is the best country in a world .Obviously he was the source to believe in.
Lived there for over 40 years .
 
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MikeyDB

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Well everone is entitled in this country to hold views and opinions not shared by others....which is rapidly becoming not the case in the U.S......

It doesn't matter to you that the president of the United States is a lacky of the petroleum cartels with a loyalty to the dollar before any sense of responsibility to living breathing human beings? It doesn't matter to you that the American "Commander in Chief" given sweeping powers by a population cowed into silence can cultivate fear and mistrust on the basis of lies and exaggerations and then commit military forces to devastate a nation?

I thought you'd be a little brighter than that.
 

sanctus

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Sanctus

Well everone is entitled in this country to hold views and opinions not shared by others....which is rapidly becoming not the case in the U.S......

It doesn't matter to you that the president of the United States is a lacky of the petroleum cartels with a loyalty to the dollar before any sense of responsibility to living breathing human beings? It doesn't matter to you that the American "Commander in Chief" given sweeping powers by a population cowed into silence can cultivate fear and mistrust on the basis of lies and exaggerations and then commit military forces to devastate a nation?

I thought you'd be a little brighter than that.


Nope, I'm Canadian, and only when it directly concerns us as a whole do I care what they are up to in Washington. Intelligence is not determined by how aware one is of the American political process
 

scratch

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Nope, I'm Canadian, and only when it directly concerns us as a whole do I care what they are up to in Washington. Intelligence is not determined by how aware one is of the American political process
sanctus,
Superb comment. Turn off the tap. Turn off the light. Close the border behind you.
Too much onus is put on what the Buckaroos do. Who cares?
I don't. You don't. They are a third world country IMPHO. If I was able to, I would have praised you to the end of the Earth and demanded that you receive the maximum pointage for your view.
Sincere regards,
scratch
 

Risus

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Its not that Canadians are more intelligent, rather we are more focused outward while Americans and Chines are more focused inward.

Actually Canadians and most other occupants in the world are more intelligent than the americans. They are the morons that elected Bushinski for a second term...
 

china

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Quoting Risus Actually Canadians and most other occupants in the world are more intelligent than the americans. They are the morons that elected Bushinski for a second term.
Canadians more intelligent.....? You forgot PLT ,JC .In all , how many times these to nuts were elected by Canadians .That places Canadians falling down very fast , below the line of criticism; at least if you want to use intelligence as a measuring stick .
 

talloola

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I am interested in the u.s. elections, as, in my opinion what they do affects the rest of the world so much, which also affects us.
What has happened re: Iraq war has created much dislike and dissapointment towards the
u.s. from many parts of the world.
I would like to see the u.s. turn that attitude around, and work toward healing and repairing all the damage they have caused.
I think Barack Obama will do that.
 

scratch

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I am interested in the u.s. elections, as, in my opinion what they do affects the rest of the world so much, which also affects us.
What has happened re: Iraq war has created much dislike and dissapointment towards the
u.s. from many parts of the world.
I would like to see the u.s. turn that attitude around, and work toward healing and repairing all the damage they have caused.
I think Barack Obama will do that.

If he gets the opportunity. Busharoo still has six months to play with, even as a lame duck. Regardless of the new POTUS, can the damage really be undone?
 

talloola

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If he gets the opportunity. Busharoo still has six months to play with, even as a lame duck. Regardless of the new POTUS, can the damage really be undone?

There is much damage that can never be undone, but a new beginning has to take place,
it will, but it will take some time.
Bush's biggest success was 'failing', and that will be his legacy, but the next president will
have the task of lifting the country back up again, and he will, and that will be his legacy.
 

scratch

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There is much damage that can never be undone, but a new beginning has to take place,
it will, but it will take some time.
Bush's biggest success was 'failing', and that will be his legacy, but the next president will
have the task of lifting the country back up again, and he will, and that will be his legacy.

I would love to agree with you, yet I cannot. The Buckaroos are there on a pretext that they have been seeking for years. I agree on his legacy though. I saw a post that may explain, excuse me if it is not in the exact words:
...America will do its best to do all the wrong things in any given situation until they have no choice but to do the right things....

 

talloola

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I would love to agree with you, yet I cannot. The Buckaroos are there on a pretext that they have been seeking for years. I agree on his legacy though. I saw a post that may explain, excuse me if it is not in the exact words:
...America will do its best to do all the wrong things in any given situation until they have no choice but to do the right things....
well, they are at that point right now, so, let's get rid of bush as soon as possible, and
let someone else drag them up and out of the mess they are in. They have lots of
disasters in their own country, supplied by mother nature, and they don't have
the surplus they had in the nineties, as they will need billions to clean that mess up,
let alone cleaning up their crime problems and immigration problems.
They don't have to remain as they are now, 'never say never', just keep those war mongers, and arrogant 'talking heads' from being voted back in, who want to 'boss' the rest of the world.
 

scratch

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I know how to fix the country, nuke it! CCFNAN = Canadian coalition for nuclear arms now

send money to Dark Beaver Nuke Enterprises

please donate to our drill press fund

I would but I am always light in the wallet and I don't have any nukes lying around to send to you. Will have to check with some less than ethical people in the area. I will keep you posted.
 

Risus

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I am interested in the u.s. elections, as, in my opinion what they do affects the rest of the world so much, which also affects us.
What has happened re: Iraq war has created much dislike and dissapointment towards the
u.s. from many parts of the world.
I would like to see the u.s. turn that attitude around, and work toward healing and repairing all the damage they have caused.
I think Barack Obama will do that.

Both choices are pretty pathetic....
 

earth_as_one

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Both choices are pretty pathetic....

I disagree. Obama was against the Iraq before it started. That makes him significantly different than McCain.

reposted obama speech from 2002:


Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance, corruption and greed, poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

I've never heard McCain make a speech against the Iraq war.
 

Colpy

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I disagree. Obama was against the Iraq before it started. That makes him significantly different than McCain.

reposted obama speech from 2002:




I've never heard McCain make a speech against the Iraq war.

No, you didn't, because McCain has consistently supported the war.
 

lone wolf

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No, you didn't, because McCain has consistently supported the war.

All the more reason for Obama to get in. War is great for business and makes the rich richer. Some recovery time - and maybe a bit of isolation - is good for THE PEOPLE (did your rabid rightists forget about them?) and esteem on the world stage. Let someone else be the world cop. Maybe the United Nations without all the interference?