Why immigrate to the US?

[no color]

Wow all of them are criminals, what a bunch of bull****. Are you just saying this because they are Mexican, or do you actually have proof that they are all criminals.
I know many of them (illegals) and they have never been in trouble with the law, how ludicrous and bigotted. I bet most of those crimes are misdemeanors, but even that could get them in trouble as illegals. In your mind I guess all blacks are theives too, and all Hindus are terrorists.

I know lots of people that do not want to become citizens of the US, because they lose their citizenship to their mother country, they have to give it up. Wish Canada would do the same, then we may not have so many immigrants in our country. So maybe these Spanish people do not want that either. There has to be an even ground for these wonderful people. At least they were not stolen from their homes to work in the cotton fields. They had somewhat of a choice, after all a good portion of it was theirs. I love the US,but think it stinks the way you treat the Spanish people and have for decades, it is your only fault as far as I am concerned, other than that you are a great country and people.
There has to be a solution that would make everyone happy. Give them legal status with no repercussions, or strings.

Is this a joke? Do you realize what you have written? You are clearly contradicting yourself. You ask if I have proof that the illegals in the US are all criminals. YES THEY ARE. THE FACT THEY ARE THERE ILLEGALY, UNDOCUMENTED TO BEGIN WITH, MAKES THEM CRIMINALS. THEY HAVE CLEARLY BROKEN THE LAW!!! They are also taking jobs away from the legal residents.

 

[no color]

No color in one sentence you say they don't have the money for paperwork fees.
Then in another sentence you claim they have the money but are too lazy too read or fill out the paper. Make up a mind.
Funny you say they are lazy, yet they do the jobs most won't.

What I'm saying is to fill out the paperwork like many of the other Mexican citizens who legally move to the US every year. Why should these illegals get ahead of everyone else in line. Are they better than everyone else? FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, MOVE TO THE BACK OF THE LINE AND WAIT YOUR TURN!

 

[harleyhunny]

Is this a joke? Do you realize what you have written? You are clearly contradicting yourself. You ask if I have proof that the illegals in the US are all criminals. YES THEY ARE. THE FACT THEY ARE THERE ILLEGALY, UNDOCUMENTED TO BEGIN WITH, MAKES THEM CRIMINALS. THEY HAVE CLEARLY BROKEN THE LAW!!! They are also taking jobs away from the legal residents.

What about the illegal Americans in other places. I do not contradict myself. You have a hard time understanding maybe. As I said being an illegal alien does not make you a criminal. Good lord, then a person who gets a parking ticket has broken the law, so they get criminal status too. I stole a loaf of bread to feed my family, hang me. At least in your eyes. All are not illegal by choice, it is your policy that has made them so. And don't forget that many of your southwestern states used to be their home. They are not taking any jobs away from no one, here you contradict yourself, as you said that they do the jobs the As I said this is my only bitch towards the American policy on the spanish populas in the US. Let them become legal, with no repercussions.

 

[harleyhunny]

What I'm saying is to fill out the paperwork like many of the other Mexican citizens who legally move to the US every year. Why should these illegals get ahead of everyone else in line. Are they better than everyone else? FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, MOVE TO THE BACK OF THE LINE AND WAIT YOUR TURN!

Have no idea on this. All I am saying maybe the ones that are illegal are afraid of repercussions if they come forward now, a promise that this will not happen might help. I don't think anyone (at least that I know) expects to go ahead of the line, except maybe those that have been in the US a long time. Some of the ones I know are second generation illegals.
When these illegals are caught going across the border, they should be given the opportunity then to apply for legal status. Take them to the proper place, set them in the right direction. Could be they are a little confused too. A helping hand in these situations is always helpful by a local. I know when we moved to the DR part time, we thought getting a citizenship was going to be costly, and take a long time. But with the help of a local, it was a breeze. Maybe a volunteer service to help these illegals get the paperwork done, would be a good thing. Save a lot of face.
I mean they are there, and going to stay, so accept.
I do not know the situation as well as you, especially emotionally. But in Canada, we say the same thing about other races coming there.
I just would like to see better treatment of the spanish people, and them to become legal, with no fears.

 

[tracy]

Well Tracey I would, I can do for myself, and have raised my kids to too. We do not take handouts, nor need them God gave us the common sense to know how to do for ourselves. We do not want or need charity, that is for the weak.

People think that until something really bad happens to them. I've never met a parent who would say "Let my baby die because we don't want to accept that free medical care". Even families with insurance can run through their insurance caps in our unit within about 3 months. Since some kids stay longer than that (the oldest I've seen was 10 months old) and require lots of medical bills in the future, parents have little choice but to accept help from the state or let their baby die unless they are multimillionaires. I saw one kid's bill for the first six months he spent in our unit and it was over 2 and a half million. Most private insurance policies have a lifetime cap of one million. I don't think his family was weak for accepting help keeping him alive.

 

[harleyhunny]

People think that until something really bad happens to them. I've never met a parent who would say "Let my baby die because we don't want to accept that free medical care". Even families with insurance can run through their insurance caps in our unit within about 3 months. Since some kids stay longer than that (the oldest I've seen was 10 months old) and require lots of medical bills in the future, parents have little choice but to accept help from the state or let their baby die unless they are multimillionaires. I saw one kid's bill for the first six months he spent in our unit and it was over 2 and a half million. Most private insurance policies have a lifetime cap of one million. I don't think his family was weak for accepting help keeping him alive.

You have a Canadian flag why? but says California. Anyways that is how your medical works, does not apply here. So post is moot.
I carry provincial health insurance, extended medical through husbands company, and travel insurance. We are well covered.

 

[tracy]

Have no idea on this. All I am saying maybe the ones that are illegal are afraid of repercussions if they come forward now, a promise that this will not happen might help. I don't think anyone (at least that I know) expects to go ahead of the line, except maybe those that have been in the US a long time. Some of the ones I know are second generation illegals.
When these illegals are caught going across the border, they should be given the opportunity then to apply for legal status. Take them to the proper place, set them in the right direction. Could be they are a little confused too. A helping hand in these situations is always helpful by a local. I know when we moved to the DR part time, we thought getting a citizenship was going to be costly, and take a long time. But with the help of a local, it was a breeze. Maybe a volunteer service to help these illegals get the paperwork done, would be a good thing. Save a lot of face.
I mean they are there, and going to stay, so accept.
I do not know the situation as well as you, especially emotionally. But in Canada, we say the same thing about other races coming there.
I just would like to see better treatment of the spanish people, and them to become legal, with no fears.

How can you be a second generation illegal? Being born here makes you legal. Do you mean their parents were here illegally then went back to their home country to give birth to them and then when they were adults they came illegally too?

Just to let you know, there are a LOT of groups in the US providing low cost or free help to illegal immigrants interested in applying for legal status here. I know because I was looking for a cheaper lawyer to help me out and those groups kept coming up in my search. Unfortunately those groups aren't in the business of helping people like me:lol: so I'm gonna have to cough up a fair bit of money for my application. Their work is for illegals and refugees. It really isn't hard for people to know how to apply to legally come here though. Every border crossing has officers that will tell you what to do before you enter the country. Tijuana even has a special cases office (it's where I go to get my work permit, I'm usually the only one whose name doesn't end with a vowel or a z). Plus, most border towns in the US have lots of lawyers specializing in immigration issues. You should see all the signs in San Ysidro!

 

[tracy]

You have a Canadian flag why? but says California. Anyways that is how your medical works, does not apply here. So post is moot.
I carry provincial health insurance, extended medical through husbands company, and travel insurance. We are well covered.

I am Canadian, I live in California. In Canada, all medical care is a handout. Paying through taxes often wouldn't cover your bills for a long hospitalization. But, regardless of that fact, I was just responding to the notion that immigrants wouldn't accept handouts. They would, they do. They'd be crazy not to. If you plan on buying property in the US or spending any significant time here, it could happen to you too. It isn't weakness. It's just about being human. Travel insurance and your husband's policy may be great. You can still run through them fairly easily with one bad incident or illness. Get into a car accident while you're here which requires a few weeks in ICU or even months, and all of your insurance policies can still be too little protection. It's a shame, but it's the reality that people here live with. It's why Medi-Cal exists. I understand why people like to think they could never be in that situation, but I've seen it too often to think anyone is immune.

 

[harleyhunny]

Tracey here is what you said....How can you be a second generation illegal? Being born here makes you legal. Do you mean their parents were here illegally then went back to their home country to give birth to them and then when they were adults they came illegally too?

I would think that (in the case of ones I know) if they are illegal they are not going to register their children in the US, yes the ones I do know go home to have children, they did anyways. No point in registering your child if you are illegal is it? Are you saying that even if one is in the country illegally they can have a kid there and it is legal? Oh those kink in the system, can work for you or agin ya! If this is the case.
Anyways the family (s) that I know call themselves second generation, so who am I to argue, never deal with it. I am not living in the US yet.
We do not pay for our medical through taxes, your premiums are based on your income, so we pay the highest premium because we make a lot, those under 50K a year and lower start to get it for free basically, those that can do the paying, so yes for some it is a handout, for people like me, we pay.
No no one is immune. But unless you are privvy to our policy you now jack. We have a good policy, and coverage for many things is outstanding. We check things extensively when we buy. We can afford a good policy.
There is a difference between this kind of handout and the one I talk about, welfare, most use it as a career move. Something I would never ever lower myself to.

 

[tracy]

Tracey here is what you said....How can you be a second generation illegal? Being born here makes you legal. Do you mean their parents were here illegally then went back to their home country to give birth to them and then when they were adults they came illegally too?

I would think that (in the case of ones I know) if they are illegal they are not going to register their children in the US, yes the ones I do know go home to have children, they did anyways. No point in registering your child if you are illegal is it? Are you saying that even if one is in the country illegally they can have a kid there and it is legal? Oh those kink in the system, can work for you or agin ya! If this is the case.
Anyways the family (s) that I know call themselves second generation, so who am I to argue, never deal with it. I am not living in the US yet.
We do not pay for our medical through taxes, your premiums are based on your income, so we pay the highest premium because we make a lot, those under 50K a year and lower start to get it for free basically, those that can do the paying, so yes for some it is a handout, for people like me, we pay.
No no one is immune. But unless you are privvy to our policy you now jack. We have a good policy, and coverage for many things is outstanding. We check things extensively when we buy. We can afford a good policy.
There is a difference between this kind of handout and the one I talk about, welfare, most use it as a career move. Something I would never ever lower myself to.

The children of illegal aliens are automatically registered if they are born here and being born here automatically makes you a citizen. I work in a neonatal unit in the LA area. If not for illegals having babies here, I probably wouldn't have a job. They also have another very good incentive to register their babies: them having an American citizen for a child helps their immigration case if they ever try to legalize. I'm sure all the Mexicans here know that because a lot of hospitals on the border have what they call birth tourists (women who cross the border into the US to give birth so their child will be an American citizen). These obviously aren't people unwilling to take handouts because they don't pay their medical bills.

I am glad you are so certain about your policy. I don't know the details, you're right. I do know a fair bit about the healthcare system here and the costs involved and I've seen a lot of people who experience that old expression "pride comes before the fall". It's truly sad to see people who are hardworking and well off become embarassed when they need help with medical bills. I wouldn't call a single one of them weak. No one individually pays for their healthcare anyways. An insurance company works on that principle that many people need to contribute and only a few will use the service. The few that use it will benefit from the others paying into the system.

 

[unclepercy]

Now why on earth would what Rom said hurt your feelings? He wouldn't want to move because, as a Canadian the US is "Not different enough, not exicting enough, not liberal enough, too capitalistic for my personal tastes."

From what I've seen americans pride themselves on being capitalists. They don't want to be as liberal as Canada. And that it's not different or exciting enough is just bound to happen when we share media systems and much of our culture.

Why on earth would it be worthy of a personal attack to hear that someone doesn't want to live in the US, especially when they qualified it with such terms as 'for my personal taste'?

Well, I'll tell you what. When the US only looks good from a southern Sudan perspective - that's like saying we are the scum of the earth. We are not. I could care less about the capitalist aspect. Yada-yada, bing-bang-bong. I am HURT that even one Canadian would say that about my country. I don't make a habit of saying ugly things about Canada.

There was no personal attack in what I said. The insult came from Rom. Please consult your Street Pilot. I think you may have taken the wrong exit. You're off on a side road. Perhaps you have overlooked my avatar. ????? Shrug.

Uncle

 

[karrie]

"But, looking at it from a positive viewpoint, we never wanted you in the first place. Aren't you a bit arrogant to assume that you would be accepted here? I mean our standards might well rule you out. :razz:"

That seems like a pretty personal jab.

 

[lone wolf]

Really, the American penchant of preserving history would do it for me. Guess it comes from the days when Dad worked for the railroad. I remember the changover from steam. The best place to see - and actually touch - Canadian steam engines ... is in the States.

Woof!

 

[I think not]

Massive California Forest/Brush Fires? Tornado Alley? New Orleans?

:lol::lol:

 

[I think not]

The best place to see - and actually touch - Canadian steam engines ... is in the States.

Woof!

:?: Would you mind elaborating, I'm not familiar with this. I only ask becuse it sounds a bit odd.

 

[lone wolf]

American railroads were dieselized (with the exception of a few coal-haulers) by 1952. By the time people started missing the steamers, they were about gone or in sorry states of disrepair. There was a market when a lot of Canadian power came available. In 1959-61, steam was being retired from CNR/CPR. Steamtown's premier engines are ex-CNR 3254 and ex-CPR 2317. New Hope and Ivyland uses an ex CNR Mogul and Strasburg RR use some Canadian steam. Now, there are more working Canadian steamers in the states than there are in Canada.

Woof!

 

[unclepercy]

"But, looking at it from a positive viewpoint, we never wanted you in the first place. Aren't you a bit arrogant to assume that you would be accepted here? I mean our standards might well rule you out. :razz:"

That seems like a pretty personal jab.

I respect and agree with many of the things you say, Karrie. However, you would never make moderator in the US. You don't seem to get the nuances of southern speech. I used the familiar version of Rom's internet name. That is like saying something like, "Sweetie or honey." That set the tone of my reply.

I have a minor in linguistics, and I realize these "idioms" vary greatly, but you should have picked up on that. It was pretty straight forward. And what about the southern Sudan
remarks? Skipped right over them, didn't ya.

You all brought up the subject of how the standards in the US have been lowered by the influx of uneducated Mexicans. You are absolutely right. They have overburdened our schools (nothing but Mexican in the schools). They have sucked the county hospitals dry until they closed down. Mexicans send paychecks back to Mexico, instead of spending it in American which is expected. They have higher birth rates, lower education, more transience, earlier marriages, higher crime rates, plus illegals pay no income taxes. Who would want them? You want them - come and get them.

I probably couldn't pass your standards. No one would want me even thought I am blonde, blue eyed, a nice looking person for my age, a higher education, no debts, etc. But I do have a husband with cancer, and I myself am crippled with arthritis and osteoporosis. So I guess we are better off where we are.

Unce

 

[karrie]

And what about the southern Sudan
remarks? Skipped right over them, didn't ya.

No no, I never skipped over that comment Uncle. But I read it as truth, and not a personal attack, I truly don't get why it hurt your feelings. What he said makes total sense whether you're talking about why people immigrate to the US, or why they immigrate to Canada. If you flip it around, the logic still stands. From a third world perspective, Canada may look like one heck of a desirable country to live in. But, from an American point of view, frankly, I can't imagine that it looks all that appealing except for the familiarity of it. We're too 'neck and neck' for immigration to look appealing like it does for those in the third world.

 

[gerryh]

We do not pay for our medical through taxes, your premiums are based on your income, so we pay the highest premium because we make a lot, those under 50K a year and lower start to get it for free basically, those that can do the paying, so yes for some it is a handout, for people like me, we pay.

You pay squat......

BC health premiums

$54 for one person
$96 for a family of two
$108 for a family of three or more​

Do you actually think that the above pays for it all? Our taxes pay for the majority of our health care.....not the piddly little monthly premiums we pay.:roll:

 

[Praxius]

What about the illegal Americans in other places.

Oh, lost that battle so let's dig up something else completely irrelevent. Every country has illegals of their own in other countries doing whatever.... even if you find one or two proven cases of illegally immigrated citizens from the US, it still doesn't remove the fact that all the illegal Mexicans who jumped the border are still there illegally, which was the argument.

In fact, how about I just save everyone time and use the example of how many army deserters who have fled across the Canadian border? Like in Vietnam, most of use couldn't care less.... come on over.

I do not contradict myself.

That statement coming from you is contradicting all on its own now.

You have a hard time understanding maybe. As I said being an illegal alien does not make you a criminal.

Um.... yes it does, are you now attempting to tell us what the law is? You break the law, you are a criminal,

2+2=4.

Good lord, then a person who gets a parking ticket has broken the law, so they get criminal status too.

That's what criminal records are for. You have a traffic violation, guess what? That goes on your criminal record. Did you hear about that guy listening to his Mp3 player in the UK and someone thought it was a gun and called the cops? He didn't have a gun, yet it's slapped on his record that he was arrested on suspicion of a firearms offence.

That's the way she goes.

I stole a loaf of bread to feed my family, hang me.

*Ponders*

At least in your eyes. All are not illegal by choice, it is your policy that has made them so.

No, it's the US's own policies which make them illegal, which is their very own right to do so since it is their country, even this no-name from Canada knows this. They are not illegal by choice? Who the hell made their feet shuffle towards the border, who made their heart pump the blood to jump the fence or take off through the desert?

They know perfectly well what they are doing is illegal and if caught they won't be staying. If they don't know this then they must be pretty stupid and if they're pretty stupid, why would the US want them in their country in the first place?

And don't forget that many of your southwestern states used to be their home.

The key there is "Used to be" ~ Just like Ireland used to be my family's home.... yet I just can't stroll back into Ireland as I please and grab a job, expecting it all to go my way. There are proceedures and guidelines to follow, which everybody needs to. If you don't, then don't cry to mommy when they give you the bum's rush back past the border.

They are not taking any jobs away from no one, here you contradict yourself, as you said that they do the jobs the As I said this is my only bitch towards the American policy on the spanish populas in the US. Let them become legal, with no repercussions.

:-?