US launches massive Iraq air raid

Northboy

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Quoting Northboy You would have to do some serious convincing to prove to me that the US is actually capable of being a legitimate world power, that is the steward nation of the world....​

To my mind, and that of my source of inspiration, they in fact have not proven themselves....There is no Wisdom in their system....It is apparent, and under the current "circumstances" in which we live, they are not just dangerous to themselves, but to everyone else also....They have no plan to deal with what comes next for them and the only industrial sector that they've maintained is the military industrial complex as it was called....To boost their economy, all they have is war....You do what you want, its free will after all, but in this Age of Cause and Effect in real time, they're gonna get it in the neck. I just don't want Canada to be collateral damage....

So, however you want to frame it, I still have serious reservations about their ability to steward the World....And we'd better get some distance between us and them if they're not put under summary administration....
 

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You made the claim buddy so I just assume you have something to back it up.

If you don't then stop making stuff up, it makes you look dumb.

Pwnd.

I made the claim because it is so clearly obvious to people who have brains.

So are you actually saying that Japan and Germany were in better shape after WWII than Iraq is today?
 

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I made the claim because it is so clearly obvious to people who have brains.

So are you actually saying that Japan and Germany were in better shape after WWII than Iraq is today?

All I asked for was proof of your claim, I made no assumptions of my own.
 

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All I asked for was proof of your claim, I made no assumptions of my own.

What you asked for was a fool's errand as you and I know that there are not any stats out there. Why? It's a no brainer (for some). Why would someone prove something that is clearly obvious.

I see you won't answer the question.
 

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What you asked for was a fool's errand as you and I know that there are not any stats out there. Why? It's a no brainer (for some). Why would someone prove something that is clearly obvious.

I see you won't answer the question.


It's a fools errand to make a claim he can't prove.

So now you know there are no stats out there.....why? Is it because you can't google them like you have tried?

Hey, go to the library, do some research and see if what you claim is true.

If not....stop making things up.

I have to go but I will be back on this one...trust me.
 

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Why are half the lines in the post bold and half not? This is not journalism, not even in format.

No of course it's not, because I personally made those parts bold, as I found those parts as interesting information amongst the rest. If you view the original link provided you will see the content in it's original, less bolded fashion, you know.... if it bothers you so much.

The airstrike described is not major.

Considdering the level of aircraft used, the areas they bombed in the same time frame, it would be considdered more major then just one or two jets doing a bombing run which is normally the case in everyday combat.

Who said it was?

Apparently the reporter did.

Are the pictures file photos?

What's the difference and your point? You have an overhead map of where the topic in question was taking place, and you have a shot of one a model of an aircraft used in the bombings.... I don't see anything here pointing directly to any paticular aircraft, area of attack, negative or positive spin, etc....

Basically what the hell are you trying to get at here? They could be pictures of ducks crossing the road for all they matter. Those were the pictures supplied in the above linked news article, I used them..... what's your problem?

The mixture of one news item, the strike, and a non-news item, long-contested casualty figures not caused by the strike, has an anti-war prejudice.

That depends on your perspective. Just about every single Canadian news agency when you read their articles related to Afghanistan, they almost always post how many Canadian casualties since the war began have occured, and sometimes how many civilians. I don't see this as anti-war... just facts. If you think explaining some of the background information which may relate to things you think are bad for the cause will ruin your lovely plans for war, then perhaps you shouldn't be in the war in the first place, because you can't justify that information except labeling it anti-war..... cripes man, it's directly related to the war.

If someone wants to think of it as anti-war or good for the war, then so be it. That's called freedom of choice and expression. You or anybody else has no right to restrict information just because you thnk it goes against something you are for. If you're for the war, good for you. Not everybody is, and not everybody has to be forced to agree with what you agree with. It's called the real world.

A founded moral issue might be the number of innocent civilians killed by Americans, Iraqis, Al quaida and affiliates, etc, and if this data were available from a reliable source, that would be a news item that would not have to be tagged to a presidential event, or any other legitimate news story.

There will be new talk of casualties directly related to this strike, very soon and from more than one source. This article overstretched the news. Who knows the results of the strike? There may be civilian casualties. Given the murderous nature of the American enemy, it remains deemed to be counter-productive to turn the country back over to the Bathists or Alqaida. Many Americans remain convinced that they can do this thing, and they can, but they''ll have to kill for too long a time, and it won't fly politically for another two years at this rate of good news.

The Americans must have thouight they'd found a tidy batch of bastards or they wouldn't blow the orchard to kingdom come. My preliminary estimate of the collateral damage is zero. When this is claimed to be fact, someone here will say the whole thing was some kind of a setup, a fake. And maybe it was.

Well let's look into why they related the civilian casualties lists and the attacks that just occured for a moment:

It comes as a World Health Organization survey says 151,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 invasion.


They listed off not to long before the air strikes occured, a list of how many people have died due to the actions of the US invading Iraq. Whether they were killed by US, Iraqi, Insurgent forces or not, the invasion of Iraq is what began this entire mess of crap, and therefore the responsibility lies directly on the US.

Now this is also related for the simple common sense that air strikes are not all that great with preventing collateral damage, nor is there anyway to confirm you killed the right person(s) until after people start digging away at the rubble to find the presents the US left them, called bodies. Most civilian casualties in Afghanistan alone at the hands of NATO, were by majority from US soldiers and their air strikes.

Do I also have to remind you about the Mercs in Iraq who are under investigation for killing civilians in an unprovoked attack? How about the marines who raped and killed who are under investigation?

The point I see in this article is that the US is well known for not giving a rats ass about civilians, esspecially if they're not their own kind. Yet at the same time they want more support for their wars. Now if you want to win the hearts of the people for supporting your war, don't you think you would try and put a better face on for the public to do so? Nope.... instead shortly after this report is released, they pull this major air strike on various targets and what you think is fact, I believe fact is that there where be plenty of civilian casualties in this attack and it's going to piss Iraqi's off even more.
 

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It's a fools errand to make a claim he can't prove.

So now you know there are no stats out there.....why? Is it because you can't google them like you have tried?

Hey, go to the library, do some research and see if what you claim is true.

If not....stop making things up.

I have to go but I will be back on this one...trust me.

No it is not a fool's errand to make a claim that is not true. Where did you get that definition? Out of your you know what is where.

A Fool's Errand is an impossible task.

pwned

Run along.
 

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Northboy, "You would have to do some serious convincing to prove to me that the US is actually capable of being a legitimate world power..."

This is the most clearly stupid denial of reality I've seen since...

Get used to the new reality, because the US is toast as a world power.

• Most of the US products are imported.
• Most of the US's oil is imported from either Saudi Arabia or Canada
• The US is having some bad water usage issues in the summers it seems... who has the most fresh water again? Oh yeah, Canada.
• Where does the US get most of their Uranium?
• Who's dollar just when to crap?
• Which country is suffering from a housing industry flop?
• Which country is now in a recession? And the US is.. just nobody wants to say so. They call it "Recession-Like" pfft.
• What is the US's world debt?
• How much respect and credibility does the US have now not just from the rest of the world but by its own people?

The US was a world power.... and now the US is going the way of the Soviet Union.... it's been nice knowing you guys, minus the last few years.
 

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No it is not a fool's errand to make a claim that is not true. Where did you get that definition? Out of your you know what is where.

A Fool's Errand is an impossible task.

pwned

Run along.

Well, you sure look like a fool Eagle. Condidering what you claim as an argument dear boy.

Good thing the world dosen't run on make believe or maybe it does considering the logic used to invade Iraq to begin with.

It's sad to see you live by assumptions and not fact like GWB.

Who's the more foolish? The fool or the one that follows him.

Still waiting for proof of your claim.

Pwnd.

Perhaps you may be more carefull in what you spew next time.:lol:
 

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Praxius, "Get used to the new reality, because the US is toast as a world power."

Now this is the most stupid denial of reality since the same thing was said today.

Do you kids really think that you can fool the world because you are fooled? Your definition of a world power must be some childish dream that never was. Just when America becomes the uncontested world heavyweight military power, after being the undisputed world economic power for the past century, 100 years in a row, you conclude that they are finished. This is what wishful thinking will do for a moron who hates America. If you and jealousy and covetousness do not make fools of yourselves then America makes fools of you.
 

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Praxius, "Get used to the new reality, because the US is toast as a world power."

Now this is the most stupid denial of reality since the same thing was said today.

Do you kids really think that you can fool the world because you are fooled? Your definition of a world power must be some childish dream that never was. Just when America becomes the uncontested world heavyweight military power, after being the undisputed world economic power for the past century, 100 years in a row, you conclude that they are finished. This is what wishful thinking will do for a moron who hates America. If you and jealousy and covetousness do not make fools of yourselves then America makes fools of you.

It's not wishful thinking, it's concern and I share it.
 

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Praxius, "Get used to the new reality, because the US is toast as a world power."

Now this is the most stupid denial of reality since the same thing was said today.

Sorry, is your reality stuck back in 1952? A few things have changed.

Do you kids really think that you can fool the world because you are fooled? Your definition of a world power must be some childish dream that never was. Just when America becomes the uncontested world heavyweight military power, after being the undisputed world economic power for the past century, 100 years in a row, you conclude that they are finished. This is what wishful thinking will do for a moron who hates America. If you and jealousy and covetousness do not make fools of yourselves then America makes fools of you.

Yes I must be completely jealous of the US and their wonderful way of life... what with the continual school shootings, people loosing their homes, drive by gang shootings, rampant racism and sexism, over crowded priosons, the denial of evolution and how even their president still believes in creationism, where the US has higher teen pregnancies them most 3rd world countries, where your own health insurance companies are betting on you to die before they give you the money you need to keep you alive..... and not to mention the above which I already pointed out.

Exactly who is the real fool here? Just because the US was all powerful and self-proclaimed heros of WWII and all that other BS to hype their egos up (Even though if it wasn't for the Soviet Union at the time, we would have never won the war) Everything comes to an end eventually.

Canada isn't any exception either. I imagine someday in the future, Canada will not exist as we know it today..... that's life. Any country can come and go at anytime, depending on situations.

You seem to have this blind mentality in thinking that the US is unstoppable and will be around for centuries to come.... sorry to say, but the US is not the Roman Empire. Oh, and guess what happened to them?

What happened to the USSR? They were right up there with the US and other nations, and then Poof... gone.

All it takes are dumb ass people in power making dumb ass decisions and people to believe in their lies to drive them all off a cliff.

I admit the US is not down and out just yet, but if nothing comes from this election and things stay the way they are, the US will fall and crumble. Whether or not the land stays as the US in title will be in question, but a world power the US will not be.

I have plenty more I could list off... but the only reason why the US is so great and still considdered a world power is because of their own parroting of their own greatness. A few countries in the EU have dropped the US dollar when it comes to tourism, Canadians and those from the US who work back and forth between the borders have requested to be paid in Canadian Dollars.

The US is a hollow shell of the insect it once was, only nobody stepped on them to see them crumble yet. It's all great to make you look like a tough country with a great army when you go and invade countries which were not on the offense or defense at the time, let alone they were already in a desperate situation as it was..... it's like watching a high school student beat the snot out of a kid from grade 6..... pathetic.

Do some here sense a bit of Anti-American talk in some opinions in here? You're damn right there is and for good reason. If you act like a Global D*ck, expect to be treated like a Global D*ck.
 

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Iraq's infrastructure has been destroyed. Iraq is finished as a country. Why are they still there?
Should have read: Why are the Americans still there? What do they hope to achieve by staying on?



You tell us. If they are finished as a country why are they there? Perhaps because they are not finished as a country. Germany and Japan suffered more infrastructure damage than Iraq. How are they doing?
 

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Before we forget:

The U.S. has built four huge, permanent, military bases in Iraq. To answer my own question, The Americans are not going to pull out of Iraq. Iraq is finished as an independant country

http://tinyurl.com/yoxumy
 

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Praxius, "Canada isn't any exception either. I imagine someday in the future, Canada will not exist as we know it today..... that's life. Any country can come and go at anytime, depending on situations."

This is insightful. Canada is finished too. It all comes and goes. We're losers. Hey, what's for lunch?

Praxius, you poor miserable whiner, I won't ask you why. I know why. It's because you're a hopeless whiner, a pessamist and a quitter. You're so far behind, you think you're first, but you are a Loser.
 
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Well, you sure look like a fool Eagle. Condidering what you claim as an argument dear boy.

Good thing the world dosen't run on make believe or maybe it does considering the logic used to invade Iraq to begin with.

It's sad to see you live by assumptions and not fact like GWB.

Who's the more foolish? The fool or the one that follows him.

Still waiting for proof of your claim.

Pwnd.

Perhaps you may be more carefull in what you spew next time.:lol:

I have told you... I will not run a fool's errand for someone because they do not like me or my views for your ammusement. As you can see I am not following you so you've answered that question on who the bigger fool is. If you are incapable of noticing the differences in Germany and Japan immediatly after WWII in comparison to Iraq today I cannot help you. It is not an assumption, it is fact. The Axis countries (minus Italy) infrastructure was razed. Germany's food output was only 35% of what it was.

It doesn't even have to be an argument except for your immaturity.

I will not waste my time putting together a package to prove the obvious.
 

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Praxius, "Canada isn't any exception either. I imagine someday in the future, Canada will not exist as we know it today..... that's life. Any country can come and go at anytime, depending on situations."

This is insightful. Canada is finished too. It all comes and goes. We're losers. Hey, what's for lunch?

Praxius, you poor miserable whiner, I won't ask you why. I know why. It's because you're a hopeless whiner, a pessamist and a quitter. You're so far behind, you think you're first, but you are a Loser.

Oh wow, how effective of you.... you really touched me in a way that makes me wanna fart.

1st ~ So you don't continue to make yourself look like an idiot, don't put words into someone else's mouth. I never said anybody was a loser.... what I speak about is reality, not negative or positive. No country will last forever, and if you think otherwise, then you're worse then a whiner, you're delusional, but thanks for playing.

In the process of human evolution and our need to survive, eventually through time, borders will need to be removed and we as humans will need to unite.... but then again, with people like you, that'll take a while.

You call me a quitter because I hate the Bush administration and that I won't be sympethetic to what happens to the US due to their own direct actions? Now there's some golden logic :angry3:

Or is it because I said that Canada will end too? Oh gee.... talk about short sighted into what I was saying. Canada could last for another 100 years, 300 years, 10 years, it could end tomorrow for all you or I know, for whatever reason. Thinking that the possibility of Canada, let alone the US or any other country in the word for that matter, will never disolve, is just blaitently ignorant.

And if you have nothing better to do then the try and make lame ass personal insults based on what I say, then you need more of a life then I originally thought. And it wouldn't be wise to go down that road anyways. I've been in several forums over the last 10 years with over 10,000 posts in total in all forums I have been in, which means I delt with a lot of trolls such as yourself. You best walk away now and stick to the topic at hand before you make yourself look more like an idiot then you already have.


THANK YOU, COME AGAIN!
 

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Praxius, "No country will last forever, and if you think otherwise, then you're worse then a whiner, you're delusional, but thanks for playing.

"In the process of human evolution and our need to survive, eventually through time, borders will need to be removed and we as humans will need to unite..."

No country like ours or the U.S. existed before the British Empire. Empires come and go, yes, but England will yet stand at least 1,000 years, perhaps then as happy province of one world government, or an historical relic beloved by its people, decisions that the English will never surrender to anyone, and are not yet in sight.

During the intervening centuries you would do well to face the similar reality that something called the United States of America may last longer than something called Egypt, and it may not because Egypt may last another 5,000 years.

You are now so far ahead you think you're last. The notion that borders like the theoretical construct we erected at the 49th parallel, will "need to be removed" is as factual as the idea that land ownership or jurisdiction will be vested in one world governmentr. Not being a conspiracy theorist, I do not fear one world government, but see it as a glorious future to be achieved with the U.N, over the next few centuries. Some of the institutions that we've set up will last longer than the Catholic church.
 

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Oh - forgot!...

P. "And if you have nothing better to do then the try and make lame ass personal insults based on what I say, then you need more of a life then I originally thought."

I resemble that remark!