US launches massive Iraq air raid

Walter

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Jews.....even the mention of these folk warrants an accusation of racism from our good American friends. Typical. What can you expect from a nation that's sold-out to the state of Israel?

Would the accusation of racism follow from a comment about Iraqis or Saudis...not likely. It's "OK" to criticize Arabs, but it's Anti-Semitism and "racist" to criticize Jews.
You're mistaken. I would have called you anti-semtic, too, but Eagle beat me too it, because you are naming Jews as your target of hatred, when in fact most Jews don't live in Isreal, and many Jews are opposed to the Iraqi war. You should focus your anger instead of using buckshot.
 
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Yahoo News, "After Thursday's fierce airstrikes, U.S. and Iraqi soldiers advanced through smoldering citrus groves into areas that were considered important al-Qaida enclaves around Arab Jabour, southeast of Baghdad. An Iraq officer said the soldiers discovered two houses used to torture kidnap victims and arrested at least 12 suspected insurgents.

The attack ocurred, 2 B!B bombers and fighter aircraft. The US used loudspeakers to clear the area of civilians. The B!B base was not specified. Casualties, not yet public.
 

darkbeaver

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Clearing the area of civilians would be inconsistant with what we know of the apparell of rebel and civilian alike. Are we to believe that only the civilians could hear the loadspeakers? No the tacticle assault on a civilian area requires actually killing civilians Jim they are the primary targets of this type of counterrevolutionary combat not real or imaginary insurgents Jim. Are you trying to make us believe the murdering air crews would leave anything usefull to the enemy such as houses barns animals women children food tools livestock, what kind of military stratagist are you anyway Jim? Terrible is my guess, that's why your not in the command center and have to do your bit here at Triple C ,your Waterloo. :lol:
 

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The Americans are niether so immoral or so desperate as you suggest. A few good men had to stop drinking many hours before the mission, just to be sober enough to bring the bomber back. Sacrifices were made by America. The men were not allowed to watch an in-flight movie during the entire mission because it would prevent sleep, and they want to keep their bombers fresh.

If I'm not mistaken, and I am kistaken only 50% of the time, the B1-B is based in the Continental United States. This mission also cost a lot of jet fuel.

The guys with the AK-47s do not run into the arms of the Americans when warned. Similarly, when George Bush told them that their cause was lost, they did not surreender. Your analysis goes further out on a limb of wishful thinking than mine, but my wishful limbs reach and hope for life, andn yours for death.

Casualty figures must be available soon, or the media hype is a joke.
 

Walter

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What do you actually think I personally want to be convinced of???
Quoting Northboy You would have to do some serious convincing to prove to me that the US is actually capable of being a legitimate world power, that is the steward nation of the world....
 

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Northboy, "You would have to do some serious convincing to prove to me that the US is actually capable of being a legitimate world power..."

This is the most clearly stupid denial of reality I've seen since...
 

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Walter

Thanks for being at least civil with your slur...:)

If you're suggesting that statements credited to the American administration in support of waging war against Iraq which included the rationale that Saddam Hussein was rewarding Palestinians (money) for suicide attacks...are bogus, then I suppose we actually have an entirely different dynamic happening.... In some respects (and yes I'm reaching for this little nugget) Israel is the victim of western deal-makers. Deal makers who for reasons much more to do with domestic pressures (banks, manufacturing jobs, investment etc.) than any altruisim regarding a displaced tribe.... When as you've said, more Jews live in New York city than live in Israel, one has to consider what the impact of this situation means in the context of the championed willingness of the American political mandarins to throw billions into maintaining the balance of terror that is the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

As far as any "racism" is concerned, I attempted to clarify that perspective but will try again...

When a Palestinian child is convinced to bind C-4 around their waist and wade into a wedding reception or a restaurant and push the button to be with Allah, is it their understanding of old animositys, or is it that they've been promised reward from god to become the sword of retribution against the Jews? Not that there are many children left to begin with but the impetus to destroy is driven by belief, not by rational forethought.

When a people demand (and Britain and twelve other signatories to the famous UN resolution divide the territory) they be given "their land" back as reward for something or for recompense for what they interpret as abandonment at Auschwitz and Dachau does this "entitlement" come from a band of robust farmers looking for a place to call their own or does it come from "God Chosen People"..... When any people suggest that it's perfectly acceptable (to everyone except those who lost their orchards and farmland and access to fresh water and communities were destroyed...etc. etc. on the basis that god "meant" them to occupy Palestine, is that reasoning based on national pride or does it reside in exactly the same metric as that which inspired the child to visit the angels?

If it's appropriate for anyone to be labelled a racist for pointing out that what's driving Palestinian terrorists and Jewish terrorists is the very same thing that's driven Evangelicals and Roman Catholics and every other "religious sect" to prosecute torture slavery and divisiveness in the name of their beliefs...then yes I suppose I am a racist although it's a faulty use of that particular slur.
 

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Additionally, one should never loose sight of a few facts: 1) western colonialist powers installed Israel, 2) hence, Israel could have never started by its own internal force, and 3) these same powers then imposed the two-state solution. Consequently, that solution was illegal under natural law. To illustrate this point, let us paint another scenario. Imagine that we rob you but that all Dick and Janes of the world approve of it. Now, would that make our robbery legal in your eyes, and would it be acceptable to you?


Refutation: For starters, if an independent international committee with knowledge of history and the development of world societies would want to give a special trophy to the most outrageous liars of all time, it is probable that Zionists would win without trouble. Figuratively, lies are the cement that holds the Zionist falsifications of history together. But this cement is temporary in nature, brittle inside, and thus cannot withstand the simplest of verification tests.


Second, Zionist movements in Europe together with western colonialist powers rendered help to Jewish refugees and engineered their transfer — especially to Palestine — out of European is not supported by historical facts. Most important, if European powers persecuted their nationals of Jewish faith, we do not see any rational that the Palestinians must pay for it. This is extremely important considering that in the sixth Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland of 1903, Theodor Herzl, the founder of the Zionist movement, discussed and then rejected a proposal to establish a Jewish state in Uganda. The meaning of this is paramount: The Zionist movement had no any historical claim over Palestine, since they were shopping to establish a Jewish state wherever the conditions were propitious. From a British colonialist viewpoint, establishing such a state in Palestine was a winning move owing to the discovery of oil in Iraq, Iran, and the Gulf region.http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/01/defining-israeli-zionist-racism-part-12/

Avery good article at DS in twelve parts explains the Zionist movement and motivation, essentially Isreal exists presently on rascism and only became a nation by the exercise of rascism and nothing else. It has no right to exist as a rascist state. The reason there has and never will be a US brokered peace deal is that Isreal will never allow return of the refugees who would tip the scale in favour of the Palestinian majority. So we will see the unimpeded indeed excellerated genocide of Palestinians and we'll Canada will do all we can to help the rascist pigs whoever they may be.
 

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Iraq's infrastructure has been destroyed. Iraq is finished as a country. Why are they still there?

You tell us. If they are finished as a country why are they there? Perhaps because they are not finished as a country. Germany and Japan suffered more infrastructure damage than Iraq. How are they doing?
 

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You tell us. If they are finished as a country why are they there? Perhaps because they are not finished as a country. Germany and Japan suffered more infrastructure damage than Iraq. How are they doing?


So you have stats comparing the damage of the three countries corilated to what they already had prior to war?

Great....I'd love to see that.

Show me please unless your pulling it out of your ass.
 

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Dark Beaver, "Consequently, that solution was illegal under natural law."

What is natural about any law? What is purely natural law? Is this your invention, or is this a rare form of law?

Dark Beaver, "Theodor Herzl... rejected a proposal to establish a Jewish state in Uganda. The meaning of this is... The Zionist movement had no any historical claim over Palestine, since they were shopping... "

Well, that's conclusive. Nor did the Jews have any historical claim to life, since they were dying.
 

EagleSmack

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So you have stats comparing the damage of the three countries corilated to what they already had prior to war?

Great....I'd love to see that.

Show me please unless your pulling it out of your ass.

As if I am going to run around looking for stats for the likes of you. Open your eyes. Just look at the devastation of all three countries.
 

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As if I am going to run around looking for stats for the likes of you. Open your eyes. Just look at the devastation of all three countries.

So you have no actual numbers to back up the claim you made?

What a shock!:roll::lol:

Pwnd!!
 

EagleSmack

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So you have no actual numbers to back up the claim you made?

What a shock!:roll::lol:

Pwnd!!

Do you even think there are? Probably not because only one who has been "pwned" by me so many times would even request stats on something so obvious. What you are asking me to do is run what they call a "Fool's Errand".

Are there stats comparing the devastation of Hiroshima and Los Angeles? Of course not.

Pwnd
 

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Greetings!

Does it make any sense to rationalize a massive air strike against "terrorists" in or around Baghdad when the much vaunted American Air Farce bombed the bejeepers out of Afghanistan in their effort to kill Bin Laden and failed? Isn't it far more likely that Iraqi women and children were killed in the effort and is it likely that Iraqis or any Middle Eastern person will accept this strategy without hating America and Americans even more than they already do?

I'm not sure if I implied my personal opinion on this topic yet, I just posted the news.

Personally I feel this is a continual strategy the US likes to use because it's quicker and easier, in their minds anyways.

Just check out how many civilian casualties have occured in the past year in Afghanistan. Now check and see how many were killed in air strikes. In a nutshell, Canadians are doing most of the fighting in Afghanistan, yet we have far less numbers in civilian casualties then the US. And then when the US was reported to have run an air strike and killed civilians, what is their response? "Well our sources were good and if civilians were there, then they were helping the Taliban" ~ Which isn't much of an answer to the families of those victims.

The only time I see Air Strikes as being a useful and effective tool, is against large military compounds, like air fields or bases.... but not in towns, cities or villiages. As you said, this type of indescretion in who they drop their bombs on, will continually fuel the anger towards the US.

What is driving these "terrorists" (people who have swarmed into Iraq because America made that possible..) isn't the rational ordered cause/effect evaluation of ideologies or national foreign policies, it is fanaticism. A fanaticism that producing throngs of martyrs will simply reinforce. We have ideological and religious underpinnings that fuel the conflict and to that we add the destruction of more lives and more of what was once a reasonably well developed city and nation. Who's going to bat an eye the next time the Sears Tower in Chicago or Washington DC comes under "terrorist" attack? It won't we the thousands who watched as American aircraft created dozens if not hundreds of new orphans and destroyed more of that city...while "Reconstruction Teams" are the latest pap out of the mouth of the terrorist George Bush.

Yeah I've been saying for the last number of years now, that I will not have any sympathy for the US when they get attacked again. They used the last attack for unjust reasons and milked the rest of the world for sympathy for their problems to get what Bush wanted.... now they've cried wolf too many times for me to care personally.

The only "break" in this sad story is that soon a new puppet of corporate America will be sitting in the Whitehouse and the impotent and largely disaffected Congress will continue to kowtow to whomever has the money.

It's a possibility I won't rule out, but you never know.

It's absurd to entertain the shell game of Bush and the Israeli Prime Minister talking about bringing "peace" to the region while American bombers are cementing the hatred millions already feel for America and Israel. How does this action make any sense at all?

It makes sense to confuse the public enough, so that they say one thing and do another which they fully know will counter act what they are claiming to be interested in..... it's a trend which has been going steadily on at least since Bush connned his way into power.

It's like a guy who used to be in my class in high school.... kid A would say something dumb, he'd slug him pretty hard in the arm for being an idiot.... the Teacher would catch him do this, as they're both sitting right in front of her, and then he looks dumbfounded and says "What? I didn't do anything"

It can only work for so long.
 

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Do you even think there are? Probably not because only one who has been "pwned" by me so many times would even request stats on something so obvious. What you are asking me to do is run what they call a "Fool's Errand".

Are there stats comparing the devastation of Hiroshima and Los Angeles? Of course not.

Pwnd


You made the claim buddy so I just assume you have something to back it up.

If you don't then stop making stuff up, it makes you look dumb.

Pwnd.
 

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I wonder how many Jews are flying for their "ally" America?

No doubt the body-count for all the Jews killed in fighting the good fight of their American ally is far beyond anyone's imagination....

Good Ole U.S. of A..... Prepared to kill the enemies of the Jews and their own young people at the same time....brings a tear to one's eye...

Now I hope no one get's upset that Americans are fully behind sacrificing their wealth and their children for the "cause" of Israel. Hell Here in Canuckistan we have our federal police wearing turbans and it won't be long I'm sure before Stevie Hapless is sporting a yarmulke.
Da Joos, it's Da Joos!

It's also refreshing to see Anti-Americanism is still on Cancon.. :roll:
 
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