Fake CNN video on 9-11

[lone wolf]

Again, the conspiracists suspend belief of the government yet are willing to believe anything with no tangible proof as long as it confirms their pre-conceived worldview. It doesn't matter how outrageous or how bizarre or how lacking in context and perspective.

A proclivity to believe in conspiracy theories is not evidence of an analytical mind. Just the opposite, in fact.

Tangible proof ... you mean like lacks of wreckage at crash sites at the Pentagon and in Shanksville Pa? ...or video from at least one of the many hundreds of cameras around the Pentagon - or the freeway beside it? ... or the fact two steel structures designed to withstand hurricane winds plunged straight to earth - despite the fact Empire State building still stands many years after it was hit by an airplane? Even as a student of engineering, I would have wanted to examine the debris to determine what caused the failure at WTC. Fact is: it's mandatory! Where is the wreckage and why was it carted off to China so fast?

I have no pre-conceived notions. My doubts accumulated. I hate the idea that government deceives. I hate the idea that the real power is something other than the people. An analytical mind doesn't wrap itself in the flag, bury its head in the sand and sing God Bless America so loudly that it can't hear anything that conflicts with its own ideas. Ye who bury your heads in the sand expose your asses for the boot.

Wolf

 

[I think not]

Tangible proof ... you mean like lacks of wreckage at crash sites at the Pentagon and in Shanksville Pa? ...or video from at least one of the many hundreds of cameras around the Pentagon - or the freeway beside it? ... or the fact two steel structures designed to withstand hurricane winds plunged straight to earth - despite the fact Empire State building still stands many years after it was hit by an airplane? Even as a student of engineering, I would have wanted to examine the debris to determine what caused the failure at WTC. Fact is: it's mandatory! Where is the wreckage and why was it carted off to China so fast?

As a student of "engineering" you seem to need a refresher course in physics.

And why is it you rush to believe conspiracy theory websites as opposed to credible news sources? Because they ask questions that will never be answered?

As a student of "engineering" why are you comparing the Empire State Building structural design with that of the WTC when they are apples and oranges?

Why do you believe the steel was carted off to China when in fact it was relocated to Staten Island in a protected area to be examined by structural enmgineers? And don't say it wasn't because I was part of the cleanup effort and I KNOW.

I have no pre-conceived notions.

Not at all, you just follow conspiracy theory website logic! :lol:

My doubts accumulated. I hate the idea that government deceives. I hate the idea that the real power is something other than the people. An analytical mind doesn't wrap itself in the flag, bury its head in the sand and sing God Bless America so loudly that it can't hear anything that conflicts with its own ideas. Ye who bury your heads in the sand expose your asses for the boot.

Wolf

Right! One cannot be patriotic and have half a brain and the same time! We're all sheep down here waving the red, white and blue. If you knew anything at all about Americans, you would know that our entire culture distrusts government. Having that type of distrust and accusing that we believe everything the government says is an indication you are all bias and not a hint of critical thought.


ITN

 

[Curiosity]

ITN

It's ok - no need to demean yourself in this pile of hate.

 

[lone wolf]

As a student of "engineering" you seem to need a refresher course in physics.

Any time you choose to start the tutorials. I scored A+ honours but one can never really know everything.

And why is it you rush to believe conspiracy theory websites as opposed to credible news sources? Because they ask questions that will never be answered?

A "rush" to conspiracy websites? 911 was six years ago and I have only discovered those sites of which you speak since I found CC - and I find most of then "way out there".

As a student of "engineering" why are you comparing the Empire State Building structural design with that of the WTC when they are apples and oranges?

True - apples and oranges. Steel is flexible. Masonry isn't. Steel withstands heat better where masonry will crumble. From a structural standpoint, WTC was designed to withstand the impact and fire of a 707 and the higher heat fuel of the day.

Why do you believe the steel was carted off to China when in fact it was relocated to Staten Island in a protected area to be examined by structural enmgineers? And don't say it wasn't because I was part of the cleanup effort and I KNOW.

China, Nirvana, Timbuctu.... Staten Island was only reported to be a holding point for dispersal. At least I learned something. Now IS the debris being examined?

Not at all, you just follow conspiracy theory website logic! :lol:

See response 2 :lol:

Right! One cannot be patriotic and have half a brain and the same time! We're all sheep down here waving the red, white and blue. If you knew anything at all about Americans, you would know that our entire culture distrusts government. Having that type of distrust and accusing that we believe everything the government says is an indication you are all bias and not a hint of critical thought.

ITN

Where did I say you ALL believe what the government says? Even in Canada, some folks still believe government = responsible. I DID say it's not black-and-white. A lot of evidence just doesn't add up. I expect to be stung if I poke my fingers into a hornets' nest. Some folks blame the hornet.

Wolf

 

[Toro]

We've done this over and over here

Tangible proof ... you mean like lacks of wreckage at crash sites at the Pentagon and in Shanksville Pa?

Myth

Here's all the wreckage you want.

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

...or video from at least one of the many hundreds of cameras around the Pentagon - or the freeway beside it?

Myth

Here they are

http://www.montalk.net/pentagon.html

... or the fact two steel structures designed to withstand hurricane winds plunged straight to earth - despite the fact Empire State building still stands many years after it was hit by an airplane?

False logic.

The fact that it was "designed to withstand" does not mean it will.

The most obvious example is the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. It was designed to withstand wind. It did not.

http://www.ketchum.org/bridgecollapse.html

Since you seem sure that a structure that is designed to withstand something, it will every single time, are you saying the Tacoma Narrows Bridge is part of some conspiracy too?

Even as a student of engineering, I would have wanted to examine the debris to determine what caused the failure at WTC. Fact is: it's mandatory!

So, as a student of engineering, why do you think the masses in academic engineering have not also been asking the question? Do you believe thousands of professors in academia, guys with PhDs - and I mean engineers, not the philosophy or history professors who are part of the 9/11 Truth squad - haven't at least pondered the same question? And do you hear an outcry from them?

There is a picture on the Internet - I'll try to find it later - of several floors of the WTC compressed into about nine inches.

Where is the wreckage and why was it carted off to China so fast?

Myth

Addressed earlier.

I have no pre-conceived notions. My doubts accumulated. I hate the idea that government deceives. I hate the idea that the real power is something other than the people. An analytical mind doesn't wrap itself in the flag, bury its head in the sand and sing God Bless America so loudly that it can't hear anything that conflicts with its own ideas. Ye who bury your heads in the sand expose your asses for the boot.

Wolf

Here is the logic of your argument put in another way.

Have you ever jay-walked Wolf? That's breaking the law, you know. Since we know that you break the law by jay-walking, we can assume that you will break any law, no matter how heinous. I guess we should therefore assume that because you are willing to break the law, you could also be a serial killer. And since we know that serial killers lie and break the law, no matter how much refutation, evidence, logic, context or perspective you may bring forward, we can assume you are a serial killer. Because you break the law. Now the onus is on you to prove otherwise. But we won't believe you because you break the law.

 

[lone wolf]

Thanks for the links. Tough things to find in among the conspiracy sites that have proliferated. They're the reason I hesitate to research online. My questions were born in viewing TV news in the week or so following 911. Answers got buried in the furball that followed.

Wolf

PS.... How doya know I'm NOT a serial killer? Here in the wilds of northern Ontario I assasinate thousands of bugs every summer....

 

[Logic 7]

We've done this over and over here

You have done it, you posted it , withouth trying to understand to what it means, you only post again your website that doesnt even tell who they the hell they are, and you rely on them, withouth even trying to use logic, more you don't even debate anything you post, even not trying to support your claim, except your unamed website.

 

[wallyj]

Logic,good to see you are back. 24 hours later,have you come up with one name of someone who was involved in the crime/cover-up. JUST ONE NAME. Thousands of people involved in the murder of thousands of others,surely someone must have had a change of heart and confessed something to someone. Please,we are waiting.

 

[Toro]

You have done it, you posted it , withouth trying to understand to what it means, you only post again your website that doesnt even tell who they the hell they are, and you rely on them, withouth even trying to use logic, more you don't even debate anything you post, even not trying to support your claim, except your unamed website.

Says the guy who posts theories that planes may not have actually hit WTC, even though the world watched it live, and posts bogus YouTube videos of planes edited out of the picture as "proof" of his strange and unusual theories.

Hey "Logic," ITN saw the planes hit the WTC. Live. He was right there.

How does that fit into all your bizarre theories?

 

[Logic 7]

Says the guy who posts theories that planes may not have actually hit WTC, even though the world watched it live, and posts bogus YouTube videos of planes edited out of the picture as "proof" of his strange and unusual theories.

Hey "Logic," ITN saw the planes hit the WTC. Live. He was right there.

How does that fit into all your bizarre theories?

ITN saw an Hologram, otherwise explain this video, and what the news reporters says,


" ohhhhhh if you are taking a look now , you'll see we just had another explosion on and that is considerably low and is that on the other building? "

Now explain to me, why didn she see thr plane hitting the world trade center?

how come we don't see the plane on the video?



Because there was no plane,


Look at this one, the reporter on the scene doesnt see the plane, but the one on the studio did, pathetic hey??


http://youtube.com/watch?v=bqjKeBS1JwE&mode=related&search=




Now, don't believe in Hologram?


http://www.eotech-inc.com/holo_history.php

In the early 80's, the perfection and implementation of holographic heads up displays in advance fighter aircraft was proved feasible and successfully deployed. These HUDs were very high quality, reflection holograms and were used for target acquisition, gauge reading, weapon system verification, etc. and ultimately improved the effectiveness of the fighter pilot.

This is called doing your homework toro.

 

[DurkaDurka]

ITN saw a hologram? You are bloody delusional man.

Also, comparing a Jets HUD to a giant hologram projected 500 feet in there air is ridiculous. Can you explain exactly how the government pulled this trick off?

 

[Logic 7]

ITN saw a hologram? You are bloody delusional man.

Also, comparing a Jets HUD to a giant hologram projected 500 feet in there air is ridiculous. Can you explain exactly how the government pulled this trick off?

Not ridiculous, they are working on those hologram since the 50's.

http://www.eotech-inc.com/holo_history.php

Explain to me why on this video there is no plane?

Why did they talk about an explosion happening on the other building?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bqjKeBS1JwE&mode=related&search=


why the news reporter doesnt see the plane? but the one on the studio yes?

 

[lone wolf]

A hologram needs a reflective surface to work in one dimension ie: the windscreen on a jet fighter. In the video you choose as gospel, UA's angle of attack is from behind the South Tower. In the studio, there are like twenty different live feeds - from as many different views. Methinks you watch too much Star Trek.

Live long and prosper....
Wolf

 

[Just the Facts]

Explain to me why on this video there is no plane?

This is just like your missing building, that, err, wasn't missing!

There IS a plane. At about 10 seconds into that video you can see it come into the picture from the far right (no pun intended ). It's not much more than a smudge, but you can actually follow it right to the impact.

Get your reading glasses on and check it out.

That's a fact!

 

[Toro]

ITN saw an Hologram, otherwise explain this video, and what the news reporters says,


" ohhhhhh if you are taking a look now , you'll see we just had another explosion on and that is considerably low and is that on the other building? "

Now explain to me, why didn she see thr plane hitting the world trade center?

how come we don't see the plane on the video?



Because there was no plane,


Look at this one, the reporter on the scene doesnt see the plane, but the one on the studio did, pathetic hey??


http://youtube.com/watch?v=bqjKeBS1JwE&mode=related&search=




Now, don't believe in Hologram?


http://www.eotech-inc.com/holo_history.php

This is called doing your homework toro.

This just takes the cake.

It is not called "doing your homework." It is called being susceptible to crazy theories, then suspending all reason and believing anything to support the theories.

The reason for the video? Its doctored.

Let's reason what is most likely to have occurred;

The government blowing up two highly symbolic buildings in the most important city in the world, killing thousands of its own people and using holograms of planes slamming into those buildings to fool everyone on the planet - except, of course, those who've pieced together what really happened on the Internet, despite the fact there isn't a single human being anywhere who claims to have been part of the conspiracy

ooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr

someone doctoring a video.

Hmm, that's a close one.

This may be the most bizarre conversation I have ever had.

 

[hermanntrude]

ahhh logic 7, how I've missed your deluded rantings.

 

[Logic 7]

This is just like your missing building, that, err, wasn't missing!

There IS a plane. At about 10 seconds into that video you can see it come into the picture from the far right (no pun intended ). It's not much more than a smudge, but you can actually follow it right to the impact.

Get your reading glasses on and check it out.

That's a fact!

You are wrong, there is nothing at all, we can see the boat on the water, very easily which they are smaller, the news reporter doesnt see nothing at all, so get real.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Logic, can you please explain how the government projected the hologram a few hundred feet into the air?

 

[Logic 7]

This just takes the cake.

It is not called "doing your homework." It is called being susceptible to crazy theories, then suspending all reason and believing anything to support the theories.

Suspending all reason and believing anything to support the theories is exactly what you guys are doing, there is not even a single shread of proof that oussama and their retards are behind 9-11, even fbi doesnt even go with this stupid theory, but you still believe it, building 7 has been demolish with explosive, admitted on a pbs documentary, but you still don't want to believe it, you prefer to believe a theory brought by the same who told you that saddam had wmd, was an immenent threath and so on, who are lying since they are in office.

The reason for the video? Its doctored.

Let's reason what is most likely to have occurred;

NBC4 has never denied this video, until recently they left the video on their website, just like cnn did with their fake video. so get real, nice try though.

The government blowing up two highly symbolic buildings in the most important city in the world, killing thousands of its own people and using holograms of planes slamming into those buildings to fool everyone on the planet - except, of course, those who've pieced together what really happened on the Internet, despite the fact there isn't a single human being anywhere who claims to have been part of the conspiracy
ooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr

someone doctoring a video.

Hmm, that's a close one.

This may be the most bizarre conversation I have ever had

You think that kind of behavior from a governement is brand new?

There is peoples from the bush administration(from the first terms) who says 9-11 was an inside job, like Morgan Reynolds, and there is some from the reagan administration too.

Zbigniew Brzezinski already said lately, that " Cia might conduct false flag terrorism in Usa ,So the peoples of the united states will support a war against iran"

 

[Logic 7]

Logic, can you please explain how the government projected the hologram a few hundred feet into the air?

There was other plane to project it, the white plane, just like this one