Iraq War Surge Reducing Overall Violence Despite Bombs
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Lemme see, there's Poland, France, Czechoslovakia, a few African countries and some Japanese occupied countries....... WW2 wasn't that long ago. 
Lemme see, there's Poland, France, Czechoslovakia, a few African countries and some Japanese occupied countries....... WW2 wasn't that long ago.
Very true. Of course the problem with those example is that the US is not at a World War II level of militarization and the United States is not willing to pay the same price for victory as they did in WWII without a very good reason.
Right wingers hated it when Clinton acceded to NATO's demand to get involved but it was largely European action that solved that matter.
Now that Sadr's followers are out of the Parliament I think the rest are getting edgy about what is coming next. The promises by the existing government to have full control over the national security is just anither empty promise. They insurgent group,organization is amazing agile and they can counter anything before the new plan is even set up. I know there are leaks constantly to their leadership and I'll bet it is right at the top. My source over there tells me that most of the ledership have used US funds to build new villa's for themselves along with pools, priavte landing strips and even some high tech security measures. I think we are financing the installation of the next brutal autocratic regime. Look what we did in Iran in 1953 when we assasinated the Agha Khan. The installed the next puppet who was later run off by the radical Muslim right wingers. I'll bet we see a repeat performance here too.
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I agree that the GOP attacked Clinton because that is what both parties do to each other here in the US.
The participating EU nations begged (or pressured) the US to get involved and it was US Airpower that brought the Serbs to heel. A freind of mine is a Marine pilot and was there. He said that the US bombed the Serbians unmercifully. Bridges, power plants, water plants... infrastructure targets as well as military targets and it was funny how there was not a peep from the liberals of the destruction it caused. Not one demonstration.
By your accounts the war in Kosovo was illegal. The Serb Govt posed no threat to any country but themselves. They did not threaten neighboring countries. Nor was the war sanctioned by the UN, therefore it was illegal.
It sure is nice over there now- "overall" violence is way down, but spectacular, as-yet-unseen levels of violence and co-ordination of same seem to be on an upwards trend....
Just wait til Turkey get's SICK AND TIRED of the "good part of Iraq" so popular with the blind war-loving types - Kurdistan!!!!!
It's happening even now. I hope the US is ready to be the international villain in the upcoming conflict, and I hope they're ordering plenty of body bags- only a truly stupid individual or group thereof could expect anything other than escalated carnage from anything short of outright pullout
Just wait til Turkey get's SICK AND TIRED of the "good part of Iraq" so popular with the blind war-loving types - Kurdistan!!!!!
It's happening even now. I hope the US is ready to be the international villain in the upcoming conflict, and I hope they're ordering plenty of body bags- only a truly stupid individual or group thereof could expect anything other than escalated carnage from anything short of outright pullout
'''US Civil War, Revolution, WWI, WWII, Korea.
When did we fight Guatemala?'''
I'm with the earlier wars you mentioned. As for Guatemala do a Google on the CIA war in 1950s and Reagan's in the 80s.
When did we fight Guatemala?'''
I'm with the earlier wars you mentioned. As for Guatemala do a Google on the CIA war in 1950s and Reagan's in the 80s.
```By your accounts the war in Kosovo was illegal. The Serb Govt posed no threat to any country but themselves. They did not threaten neighboring countries. Nor was the war sanctioned by the UN, therefore it was illegal.```
Agree 100 %.
Agree 100 %.
There is a new twist daily in the media releases from Iraq and now Afghanistan also. While the claims of civilian deaths by US troops are probably not too far from the truth the whole picture isn't being portrayed by the media correctly. Just put yourself in the middle of a firefight that errupts in the town square and there is no clear identification of either side of the conflict. Everyone has a gun and all are shooting. Who do you shoot to defend your self? I feel that is probably closer to the real situation that presents itself dail to our troops. No wonder there aren't more civilian deaths. The Talban regrouping has been occurring for several months and they are holed up in the tribal areas of Pakistan. Even the Pakistani's have no control over that part of their nation.
Any updates on the 'success' of that surge??
BTW, why haven't the two million Iraqi refugees who escaped the country returned there if it is as pleasant a place as Bush's apologists allege??
BTW, why haven't the two million Iraqi refugees who escaped the country returned there if it is as pleasant a place as Bush's apologists allege??
The numbers are in and it appears the surge is a failure. Insurgents probably laid low for a month or two to assess new American tactics. But in the last month, they have re-emerged. Iraq's violent death rate last month was as high as it was before the surge and continues to increase.
more on the surge's great ''success'':
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=46643
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http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=46643
U.N.: Violence outside Baghdad on the rise since ‘surge’ started
By Joseph Giordono, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Wednesday, June 13, 2007 While civilian casualties in Baghdad have gone down since the beginning of the new security “surge,” violence in other parts of Iraq has stayed steady or increased, according to a quarterly report issued by the United Nations.
“The situation in Iraq remains precarious. Insurgent attacks persist and civilian casualties continue to mount,” the report reads. “While there was a brief lull in the level of sectarian violence early in the reporting period, it now appears that militia forces are resuming their activities, including targeted killings and kidnappings.”
By Joseph Giordono, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Wednesday, June 13, 2007 While civilian casualties in Baghdad have gone down since the beginning of the new security “surge,” violence in other parts of Iraq has stayed steady or increased, according to a quarterly report issued by the United Nations.
“The situation in Iraq remains precarious. Insurgent attacks persist and civilian casualties continue to mount,” the report reads. “While there was a brief lull in the level of sectarian violence early in the reporting period, it now appears that militia forces are resuming their activities, including targeted killings and kidnappings.”
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