Iraq War Surge Reducing Overall Violence Despite Bombs

[normbc9]

In trhe final analysis which will be written in later years this action with more troops will probably meet with the same failure our buildup did just days before the TET offensive in Vietnam. I spoke to a retired flag officer who was a part of the military planning element in Saigon and he told me he had hoped the South ietnamese troops would go on the TET Holiday to get them out of the way. He said there was indisputable evidence five days before the TET was initiated by the NVA but our politicians were too slow to act and when they did it was against all the advice provided by the group of planners on site. Why should we expect anything different this time?

 

[gopher]

```our politicians were too slow to act and when they did it was against all the advice provided by the group of planners on site```

If you read the Pentagon Papers you would know that the Vietnam war was not about stopping communism just as the Iraq war has nothing to do with stopping terrorism. Both wars, whether anyone chooses to believe it or not, are about war profits for the wealthy. That is why those who profit from war so eagerly want Bush to invade Iran as that would mean more profiteering.

 

[darkbeaver]

War profiteering is a solid steady growth industry, turning record profits year in and year out with sales in the kazillions, growth and devilopement that's what'll turn this thing arround. haha:smile:

 

[Sparrow]

You can be sure Halliburton will make money.

 

[normbc9]

Now that we ave had a chance to look at this increase in troops in Iraq in retrospect I think we are seeing that all we are doing is exaserbating the problem in that area. Now the ****e militia groups are advising the locals to stop the Arab on Arab violence and focus on attacking the US military. The leaders from all around the Persian Gulf want no part of the brand of democracy we have intorduced into Iraq and they are all covertly financing some of the insurgent activities. the majority of the insurgebt KIA's still are fioregn nationals who traveled to there expressly for this fight. Lets see what transpires the next two weeks. It is my guess that we will see more US casualties and still no improvement in the overall situation. This Texan in the White House is making the same mistakes almost to the letter that another Texan did in the late 1960's. That guy didn't run for a second term either. And he had the blood of a lot of human kind on his hands too.

 

[s243a]

More lidberrman:

 

[gopher]

That supposedly successful surge didn't stop the bombing of the Iraqi parliament.

 

[darkbeaver]

That supposedly successful surge didn't stop the bombing of the Iraqi parliament.

The bomb sniffing machine at the puppet parliament building was broken coincidentally on the very day Al-Kayduh launched an attack. Similarly the aircover over north-eastern America was also broken on 9/11.

 

[normbc9]

They are simply better at concealment of the strapped up bomb systems on the body than the security screeners are. The pendulum is now swinging towards an advantage for the other side and more troops won't solve any of the problems coming in the future, Today a bridge was brought down with the accurate placement of about 2 lbs. of C-4 and the detonators. The IED we all hear about are not anything new in spite of what you are being told. That device was in use south of Hue, South Vietnam on the highway in 1968 during the TET offensive and when detonated under a bus it killed all of the passengers. It is in use right now by insurgents in Myanamar, Thailand and other South east Asian trouble spots. What the US is now doing is following almost to the move, is the mistakes it made in Vietnam. After that conflict the NVA Commander Giap told the world in an interview that the North Vietnamese were only days away from a complete collapse when Nixon ordered the stop to the last and toughest bombing schedule the US had initiated. We'll just beat ourselves again, declare victory and run for home as fast as we can get out troops out of there. Then in the aftermath someone will discover that we left enough supplies to equip another army. Roosevelt agve Poland and the central Europe to Joe Stalin at the meeting he had with the"Big Thre" in 1943. When Churchill found out about the deal he called for another conference whiich took place at Yalta. Churchill couldn't reverse the damage done by Roosevelt either. Central Europe was doomed to be Communist dominated for the next four decades.

 

[normbc9]

Isn't oit always covenient when the after action investigations report these supposed failures of key systems. It is always the fault of the inanimate object rather than the failure of the persdonnel? Look at the neophyte radar station on Oahu that spotted the big frmation of aircraft approaching and were told when reporting the formation that it must be the flight of B-17's due about two hours later? Or, the torpedoing of a US merchany vesseel at the mouth of the New York harbor in 1942 and the denials of that event by the U.S. and later substantiated by the U-boat Captain who had photo's of the event. Or the repeated surfacing of Japanese subs at night so close to out coast that the crew would snap photo's that were revealed after the war ended?
None of those ever were taken into account by any responsible goivernment investgative agency. Better yet, look how the sinking of the cruiser Indianapolis was handled? We are rarely ever told the truth or the real facts.

 

[darkbeaver]

The west cannot leave the ME without the oil. It can't suck it up all at one time therefore the West will not leave voluntarily. It cannot allow China or anyone else free access to the oil.And it most certainly won't allow indeginous developement. The west must secure the hydrocarbon breadbasket or die. The American dollar floats on oil and an active military ensures the supply of same.

 

[s243a]

The west cannot leave the ME without the oil. It can't suck it up all at one time therefore the West will not leave voluntarily. It cannot allow China or anyone else free access to the oil.And it most certainly won't allow indeginous developement. The west must secure the hydrocarbon breadbasket or die. The American dollar floats on oil and an active military ensures the supply of same.

If they were just their for the oil why worry about the cities at all?

 

[L Gilbert]

lol.

 

[Logic 7]

You probably want to see America fail in Iraq because furthering your ideology is probably more important to you then the freedom of the Iraqi's.

It has never been for the freedom of iraqies, where did you get that?


When was the last time, américans brought freedom to a nation? explain to me.

 

[Logic 7]

If they were just their for the oil why worry about the cities at all?

THey don't, everything is worst than before the war, which was under saddam regime, and United Nations sanctions, that gives you a hint of what is going on overthere.

 

[L Gilbert]

:laughing2: :laughing3: :tard:

 

[normbc9]

The Administration in DC sure was quick to trot out Dick Cheney to remond the US that the framers of the Constitution specifically apponited only one Commander in Chief and that the oter 520 politcians who thought they were empowered too, had in fact no power to make the war decisions. No doubt well rehearsed and coreographed careully for several hours before it hit the media. I see a big power struggle building between the Democratic leadership and Bush. One political satire here in our paper suggested that if Bush couldn't make rational decisions, President Nancy probably could. That sparked some real debate here locally. I thought it was all too funny.

 

[s243a]

THey don't, everything is worst than before the war, which was under saddam regime, and United Nations sanctions, that gives you a hint of what is going on overthere.

Well, I suppose that is what our puppet masters want us to believe.

"
BECK: Jeff, by the way, is on our station in Dallas, KLIF. And, Jeff, you have made several trips over to the Middle East. You`re in Iraq now. What are you seeing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baghdad is portrayed in media very differently than it is on the ground. I will tell you that, on the ground, when you talk to citizens from Baghdad, what they tell you is, "Our economy is growing, we`re getting back on our feet, we`re rebuilding our infrastructure, and, by the way, we`ve got a significant security problem we have to solve."

Baghdad residents, to a person that I have talked to, have said, "This is not going to be a failed state, and it`s not nearly, nearly as miserable as Western media`s reporting it."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0704/13/gb.01.html

 

[gopher]

When was the last time, américans brought freedom to a nation? explain to me.

Certainly not Vietnam or Guatemala.

 

[normbc9]

Only time will tell but the clock is ticking and a lot is happening that the planners never foresaw and it is just like their previous planning efforts. Too little, too late. The insurgency is being supported by several neighboring Muslim states and those leaders wish no part of the style of Democracy we are trying to set up in Iraq. But they don't want to be hung like Saddam was either.