. But if He does remember me, I hope He lets me form my own little heaven. I won't be any bother.[/quote]
That is so sweet.
That is so sweet.
How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
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As long as we are in the flesh, sin will be there. The tree of knowledge of good and evil is not a real tree but our education as to who we are in comparison to God.
The only way we will learn good is to be placed in a situation where evil is present in our members (Body) .
Without the flesh, we can not be tested.
Because of our flesh sin abides in us and to do good require that we reject the evil.
It is noted in the bible that no matter what we do, we could never achieve perfection worthy of salvation.
Therefore we stumble through this world until we find God, and when we do, He will forgive all our trespasses and has provided us His Son as perfection for in our place.
That is why all our sins are forgiven when we repent! Repentance is a change of mind, of thinking, from the former ways to the new ways.
This than: this new thinking is the knowledge that Christ died for our souls unto salvation and is at the ready to forgive us of all our passed sins, and future ones as well.
Because one is truly appreciative of the graces given us, which we in turn would “want” to follow His commandments verses having to!
So in essence, evil is used for our good, that because of the presence of evil we would want to choose and will to perform only the good.
Peace>>>AJ
Adam represents the Spirit breath of God. Eve represents the flesh. When God breathe His Spirit into the clay vessel, a living soul was created.
This living soul than was separated from the presence of God and has became as like God with the ability to know good and evil.
This separation = death.
Death than was as a result of our creation. We had nothing to do with it it but yet we were accountable for it.
That is the jest of the creation story. The mature version)
Now God had to reverse the condition of separation (Death) of the soul by sending His Son Jesus to fulfill the required criteria of perfection before any of us could possibly enter into heaven.
So, rather than us paying the price of everlasting death, Jesus paid it for us. That we in His resurrected body we made have life again, or in other words, have access to the Father via Jesus.
Now, to reject all that, would leave us strictly to the elements in which we were created and that of course would be less than perfect, for knowledge would expose it as so.
It is your prerogative to choose to believe or not, but than if you choose not to believe, you will remain as you and that without the help of God but the worlds.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
Where in the heck did you learn this? Please don't say the Holy Spirit told it to you! You must have picked this up from somewhere and I am deeply curious where.
That is the walk, the walk of faith. You will never totally purge sin from your life. But you can learn how to recognize behaviours of yours that are harmful to yourself or others both spiritually and actually. We are on a journey of salvation, a process whereby we learn, we adapt, we succeed, we fail, but we carry on the path assured of the redemptive powers of Christ.
Jesus is not the Bible,Aj. The Bible is just the written source of information about Christ.
To be polite, nonsense. Salvation is a free gift, but in a sense, we can return that gift. Christ calls, and it is up to us to listen and respond, or not. Salvation is not a one time thing which promises a forever place in Heaven regardless of your behaviour. If all one had to do was "receive Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour", as the heresy goes, one wonders why anything else at all would be necessary? The faith is filled with tales of men and women who have renounced Christ and His Church, have adapted the ways of the world or have turned to satanic systems of belief. In essence, they've rejected the faith. They have lost their salvation, in other words.I must say AJ, your theories on these things are always amusing to me, and sad.
Have you ever read the Bible? The things you write don't come from it!
Here are bunch of Verses that say how critical our works (ie: our morality!) are in our salvation.
Faith and works are both gifts of grace.
Psalm 62:12
For you render to each one according to his works.
Jeremiah 17:10
I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Ezekiel 18:27
When the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness ... and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul.
Matthew 5:20
Except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 12:37
By your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
Matthew 19:17
If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 25:41-46
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'Then they will answer and say, ' Lord when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?' He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.' And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
(nothing in this text suggest these people are trying to deceive Jesus, only that they deceived themselves by not doing the Corporal Works of Mercy...maybe because they believe in faith alone and that they are "saved" and nothing can undue their salvation?),
Luke 10:26-28
He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
(LOVING A PERSON IS NOT FAITH!)
John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Romans 2:6, 13
Who will render to each one according to his deeds. ... For not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
( "TO HIS DEEDS" DOES NOT IMPLY FAITH ALONE)
2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
("ACCORDING TO WHAT HE HAS DONE"...IS SAINT PAUL TRYING TO DECEIVE US? WHY WOULDN'T HE JUST SAY "FAITH ALONE" IF HE REALLY MEANT THAT?)
2 Corinthians 11:15
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works .
James 2:14
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
We are saved by faith alone, and our good works indicate that we possess a truly saving, fruitful faith.
James 2:17
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James 2:21-25
Was not Abraham our father justified by works? You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rabab the harlot also justified by works? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(AND RAHAB, BEING JUSTIFIED BY HER WORKS, MADE IT INTO THE ROYAL GENEALOGY OF CHRIST)
1 Peter 1:17
The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work.
Revelation 2:23
I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Romans 8:24
For in hope we were saved. Now hope that sees for itself is not hope. For who hopes for what one sees? (so is St. Paul saying we even need faith? [clearly, if he meant faith he would have said faith right?] OF COURSE WE DO)
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My brother, I am praying that the true light of Christ opens your eyes to your sinfulness, your pride and arrogance and brings you forth from false doctrines.
You're rather new. I think you're wasting your time here. AJ is pretty well the only one who knows God, don't cha know! The rest of us are not as advanced spiritually as he is(deep sarcasm)
Do you now! Good, when will you start writing posts based on what Jesus ACTUALLY taught?
One example, have you been to Mass lately to receive our Lord's Body? And yes, He did teach it was His actual Body and Blood.
Perhaps, but keep in mind that he is seeking Jesus and that should require our tacit support. One day, surely, he shall see the truth he has avoided, and we can greet as brethren at that time.
How can we get rid of our sinfulness
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Adam represents the Spirit breath of God. Eve represents the flesh. When God breathe His Spirit into the clay vessel, a living soul was created.
As long as we are in the flesh, sin will be there.
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Maybe I am too sensitive but these quotes have materialized into EVE(the woman) = FLESH = SIN. Don't tell me that I am a feminist because I am not. Why do many religions including the RC treat women as if we are unworthy of participating in the ministry as men? A women gave birth to Jesus the son of God concieved by the Immaculate Conception, it had nothing to with a man and his sperm yet man alone has the privilege of being a religious leader. This still permeates many aspects of our everyday life. Women have fought long and hard against discrimination but still have a long way to go. When will we be truly treated as equals? Are we so evil that we must have limitations put on us by men?
Don't get me wrong I don't hate men, I love them and am married to one of the best men in the world out treats me as his equal.
Hope I did not insult anyone but this is a question that haunts me maybe someone can give me an answer.
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Adam represents the Spirit breath of God. Eve represents the flesh. When God breathe His Spirit into the clay vessel, a living soul was created.
As long as we are in the flesh, sin will be there.
(End quote)
Maybe I am too sensitive but these quotes have materialized into EVE(the woman) = FLESH = SIN. Don't tell me that I am a feminist because I am not. Why do many religions including the RC treat women as if we are unworthy of participating in the ministry as men? A women gave birth to Jesus the son of God concieved by the Immaculate Conception, it had nothing to with a man and his sperm yet man alone has the privilege of being a religious leader. This still permeates many aspects of our everyday life. Women have fought long and hard against discrimination but still have a long way to go. When will we be truly treated as equals? Are we so evil that we must have limitations put on us by men?
Don't get me wrong I don't hate men, I love them and am married to one of the best men in the world out treats me as his equal.
Hope I did not insult anyone but this is a question that haunts me maybe someone can give me an answer.
If anyone wants some real answers then come to the 'Intelligent Design' thread and learn with us. If not then run around in circles for another 145 pages here. I will not take part further on this thread because it is based on nothing but an effort to deceive.
And we know that each and every one of you are looking for guidance and answers don't we! Over there S_lone has started the ball rolling with some good questions.
Or, if you don't have the courage to question your faith in religion then stay here. The truth is not for everyone! ;-)
And we know that each and every one of you are looking for guidance and answers don't we! Over there S_lone has started the ball rolling with some good questions.
Or, if you don't have the courage to question your faith in religion then stay here. The truth is not for everyone! ;-)
No insult at all. Would you mind if I move this to a new thread I am going to start? I was sent an offlist message I am turning into a thread on the role of women in the Church and your comments would fit well in that spot. I won't do so if it is not your wishes, so I'll wait to see if you will allow me to answer you in that new thread.
Please do the people of this list a courtesy by not spamming threads you're not interested in participating in.
Get as hot as you like, I personally enjoy your posts a great deal, even when we disgaree! You have a quick mind and honest spirit. I'll answer your questions in the "Role of Women in the Church" thread later tonight, as I have a small meeting to go to right now...
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I have been studying the bible since I first got one. Not only that but because some in-laws and family members were Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, I had to study to learn just what made them to believe different than I.
I became interested in the end time scenarios and read many books on the subject. I also questioned my own beliefs to see just why I believed the way I did.
I also questioned why I was a Christian and why some poor soul in the depths of Africa who never heard the gospel would be a candidate for hell.
I also questioned the Muslim faith, the Buddha’s faith and why they were going to hell and I wasn’t.
Should I go on and on with all the questions I had?
And you question me if I have read the bible?
I don’t have what knowledge I have for not reading the bible.
I have studied the word with a passion and God has revealed to me the answers to my questions.
Many of which I have shared here on this forum.
But like you, many are not able to comprehend what I say because they can not see it.
So I have to be very patient, take all the abuse, and render the Love of God that is in me.
You see, the bible must be looked at as a whole, from cover to cover in order to get the true meaning of what God is trying to tell us.
If we read only a few books of the bible, then we will see only in part the true picture.
Many are content to do just that. They go to church faithfully, work and socialize.
That is all good. But I must give a warning here, and that is that just going to church and listening to the pastor, priest or any pulpit master, does make for very shallow believers.
They are believers that are easily swayed to and fro without a solid foundation. That is why there is a falling away of its members because they depend on the church and the clergy to lift them up and sustain them.
They fear the unknown, especially other religions, atheists Agnostics and a burning hell.
The bible than is our school master that in it we may find the true and solid path to righteous living and salvation.
He who studies it and seeks the help of the Holy Spirit, will become anchored on a solid foundation which is Jesus Christ the solid rock.
I recommend that everybody take a bible, find solitude, and read it as often as one can.
If your heart is seeking, God will answer.
And: if the bible is not something that any one cares to read, than live on.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
I have been studying the bible since I first got one. Not only that but because some in-laws and family members were Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, I had to study to learn just what made them to believe different than I.
I became interested in the end time scenarios and read many books on the subject. I also questioned my own beliefs to see just why I believed the way I did.
I also questioned why I was a Christian and why some poor soul in the depths of Africa who never heard the gospel would be a candidate for hell.
I also questioned the Muslim faith, the Buddha’s faith and why they were going to hell and I wasn’t.
Should I go on and on with all the questions I had?
And you question me if I have read the bible?
I don’t have what knowledge I have for not reading the bible.
I have studied the word with a passion and God has revealed to me the answers to my questions.
Many of which I have shared here on this forum.
But like you, many are not able to comprehend what I say because they can not see it.
So I have to be very patient, take all the abuse, and render the Love of God that is in me.
You see, the bible must be looked at as a whole, from cover to cover in order to get the true meaning of what God is trying to tell us.
If we read only a few books of the bible, then we will see only in part the true picture.
Many are content to do just that. They go to church faithfully, work and socialize.
That is all good. But I must give a warning here, and that is that just going to church and listening to the pastor, priest or any pulpit master, does make for very shallow believers.
They are believers that are easily swayed to and fro without a solid foundation. That is why there is a falling away of its members because they depend on the church and the clergy to lift them up and sustain them.
They fear the unknown, especially other religions, atheists Agnostics and a burning hell.
The bible than is our school master that in it we may find the true and solid path to righteous living and salvation.
He who studies it and seeks the help of the Holy Spirit, will become anchored on a solid foundation which is Jesus Christ the solid rock.
I recommend that everybody take a bible, find solitude, and read it as often as one can.
If your heart is seeking, God will answer.
And: if the bible is not something that any one cares to read, than live on.
Peace>>>AJ:love9: