How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[look3467]

Do you now! Good, when will you start writing posts based on what Jesus ACTUALLY taught?

One example, have you been to Mass lately to receive our Lord's Body? And yes, He did teach it was His actual Body and Blood.

Mary, you are trying to say that I need to be a Catholic in order to explain who Jesus is!

Jesus is in my heart, and that’s the only place He needs to be.

I commune daily with Him in spirit! For many, only when there is a Mass.

I live and walk each day cognizant of my Lords leading.

I have joy and peace in my spirit for I know that I am in good hands.

What have I to fear? If I have Jesus, what else do I need?

Is that so hard to understand? Is rather simple, but the traditions of mankind cloud the view of the truth.

Tell me, what was the object of Jesus’ coming? To save that which was lost? To save all who believed? To: usher in a new Kingdom? To: end the old and begin the new?

The churches are good in that they supposed to steer the lost souls to Christ, not to hold them captives to there dogmas.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Perhaps, but keep in mind that he is seeking Jesus and that should require our tacit support. One day, surely, he shall see the truth he has avoided, and we can greet as brethren at that time.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh my friends! How easy it is: yet so hard for you to see. If you but give yourselves a chance to seek Jesus personally, He would love you to no end.

I speak out of a pure heart of truth that Jesus has touched my heart and soul. And that joy is unspeakable as it is glorious.

Everything else I’ve said about numbers, the creation and all that stuff is nothing compared to what is real. What is real is in knowing Jesus, His love, His friendship, His help, His comfort, the peace He gives, the fear He dispels and the strength to live a just life.

Jesus is my all!! He fills my life with contentment, He hears my every cry, He lifts me up when I am down, He opens doors where there are shut, He grants the desires of my heart before I voice them, He cause me to be at peace with mine enemies, He causes me to have a giving heart, He causes me to remain humble in spirit, He lightens my burdens in life, He stirs me in the right paths, He blesses my children and my children’s children, He gives me sound sleep when the world is stirred up about me, He gives me good thoughts to relay to folks who need a good word, He gives me stability where confusion is, He is my God in whom I trust and I will see Him face to face the day I die.

That is the Jesus of the bible to me!

P.S. Did you notice that it was all Jesus and nothing else?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

(Quote)
Adam represents the Spirit breath of God. Eve represents the flesh. When God breathe His Spirit into the clay vessel, a living soul was created.

As long as we are in the flesh, sin will be there.
(End quote)

Maybe I am too sensitive but these quotes have materialized into EVE(the woman) = FLESH = SIN. Don't tell me that I am a feminist because I am not. Why do many religions including the RC treat women as if we are unworthy of participating in the ministry as men? A women gave birth to Jesus the son of God concieved by the Immaculate Conception, it had nothing to with a man and his sperm yet man alone has the privilege of being a religious leader. This still permeates many aspects of our everyday life. Women have fought long and hard against discrimination but still have a long way to go. When will we be truly treated as equals? Are we so evil that we must have limitations put on us by men?

Don't get me wrong I don't hate men, I love them and am married to one of the best men in the world out treats me as his equal.

Hope I did not insult anyone but this is a question that haunts me maybe someone can give me an answer.

There is nothing demeaning about what I said about Eve.

The Spirit of God is strong. The flesh is weak compared to His Spirit. That’s no reason for women to be weak.

For God created both male and female and called them both Adam. Equal!

The rib is the center part of the whole body. Eve is said to have been made of the rib of Adam which is not really a rib but a term to denote equalness.

At the beginning of the church, the men were the tyrants of the religious communities, and as such wrote to that effect.
But through time and life’s evolution, we are seeing that women are equal to men spiritually with no difference.
Physically, women are nothing but a man with a womb. Attractive: sexy and luring.
A designed feature: of the Almighty God for the purpose of propagation.

Mankind had made something else of it and it shows in the consequences of it.

Don’t feel like your second class, because your not. You are my equal in spirit with absolutely no difference between our souls.
You have your mission in life, and I have mine.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

Adam represents the Spirit breath of God. Eve represents the flesh. When God breathe His Spirit into the clay vessel, a living soul was created.

Do you really think we were made of clay at some time?

This living soul than was separated from the presence of God and has became as like God with the ability to know good and evil.
This separation = death.

Death than was as a result of our creation. We had nothing to do with it it but yet we were accountable for it.

That is the jest of the creation story. The mature version)

Now God had to reverse the condition of separation (Death) of the soul by sending His Son Jesus to fulfill the required criteria of perfection before any of us could possibly enter into heaven.

So, rather than us paying the price of everlasting death, Jesus paid it for us. That we in His resurrected body we made have life again, or in other words, have access to the Father via Jesus.

Now, to reject all that, would leave us strictly to the elements in which we were created and that of course would be less than perfect, for knowledge would expose it as so.

Knowl;edge of reality or knowledge of fantasy? The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever of anything called soul or spirit outside the human mind. Hence the bit about "fantasy" - if it's outside the realm of reality, it is fantasy.

It is your prerogative to choose to believe or not, but than if you choose not to believe, you will remain as you and that without the help of God but the worlds.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I pretty much figured you'd say that. All I have to say about it is"nuts".

 

[look3467]

Do you really think we were made of clay at some time?
Knowl;edge of reality or knowledge of fantasy? The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever of anything called soul or spirit outside the human mind. Hence the bit about "fantasy" - if it's outside the realm of reality, it is fantasy.

I pretty much figured you'd say that. All I have to say about it is"nuts".

What happens to our bodies when we die? Does it go back to the dust?

How about the spirit that existed in that body, what happened to that?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

What happens to our bodies when we die? Does it go back to the dust?

It may be dust but it isn't clay.

How about the spirit that existed in that body, what happened to that?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

It's still a product of mind. The brain quits, the mind quits. The mind quits, fantasies quit.

 

[look3467]

It may be dust but it isn't clay.

It's still a product of mind. The brain quits, the mind quits. The mind quits, fantasies quit.

The underlying thought is that we are made of the earth. Dust,clay mud,or whatever word is used to denote what we are made of. Earthly vessels.

Yes the mind: Intelligence. But does intelligences describe who we are?
I may be less intelligent than you, but that does tell us who we are.

One smarter: one less smart. That’s all the difference.

But talk about who you and I are, then we are talking spirit.

Of what spirit are we? Now we are beginning to define who we are by our spiritual nature in this clay pot.
One clay pot may have red wine, the other beer and yet another hard liquor.

Your spirit maybe a kind and gentle spirit defining you as a nice man.
My spirit may be mean and insulting, defining me as a jerk.

That spirit, yours (Gilbert by name) :angel8:and mine (AJ by name) :tongue2:is who God saves.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

The underlying thought is that we are made of the earth. Dust,clay mud,or whatever word is used to denote what we are made of. Earthly vessels.

Yes the mind: Intelligence. But does intelligences describe who we are?
I may be less intelligent than you, but that does tell us who we are.

One smarter: one less smart. That’s all the difference.

Intelligence is not the only thing making us up. There is emotion, genetics, experience, and all kinds of other traits.

But talk about who you and I are, then we are talking spirit.

Wrong. We are speaking of personality and character which are products of genetics and experience.

Of what spirit are we? Now we are beginning to define who we are by our spiritual nature in this clay pot.
One clay pot may have red wine, the other beer and yet another hard liquor.

Are you a recovering alcoholic or something that you keep referencing booze? Is there some sort of fixation on the topic of booze?
Anyway, perhaps you consider yourself a clay pot of shine, but I consist of water, carbon, proteins, acids, etc. My personality has been developed by the genes I have acquired through my parents and the experiences I have encountered in my life, not some fantastic bit of spookery and mysticism.

Your spirit maybe a kind and gentle spirit defining you as a nice man.
My spirit may be mean and insulting, defining me as a jerk.

That spirit, yours (Gilbert by name) :angel8:and mine (AJ by name) :tongue2:is who God saves.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

More nuts.

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Mary, you are trying to say that I need to be a Catholic in order to explain who Jesus is!

Jesus is in my heart, and that’s the only place He needs to be.

I commune daily with Him in spirit! For many, only when there is a Mass.

I live and walk each day cognizant of my Lords leading.

I have joy and peace in my spirit for I know that I am in good hands.

What have I to fear? If I have Jesus, what else do I need?

Is that so hard to understand? Is rather simple, but the traditions of mankind cloud the view of the truth.

Tell me, what was the object of Jesus’ coming? To save that which was lost? To save all who believed? To: usher in a new Kingdom? To: end the old and begin the new?

The churches are good in that they supposed to steer the lost souls to Christ, not to hold them captives to there dogmas.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

i dont think that is what mary meant. i think maybe you have a habit of thinking that, but my interpretation is that she was asking if you believe in the bible how come you dont follow all of it, like communion. or fellowship in the church cos i just read about that too in the book of acts.

 

[look3467]

i dont think that is what mary meant. i think maybe you have a habit of thinking that, but my interpretation is that she was asking if you believe in the bible how come you dont follow all of it, like communion. or fellowship in the church cos i just read about that too in the book of acts.

I express love in Jesus and how He loves me. And all I get is flak because I am not a Catholic.
If I don't express the love of Jesus in Catholic terms, I am ostracized as a heretic and speaking heresy.

Either we have the love of Christ in us or we don’t! Which is it? If we do, what else matters?
I mean if you are a Catholic, and I a Baptist, a Mormon or a JW, or even an Atheist, and we both express the love of Christ in us, what difference does our practices make?

Absolutely nothing: right? Why? Is it because the love of Christ in us is greater than of all those things?

Following the bible is a matter of opinion. One follows it one way, the other another way. Some don’t even have a clue what is in the bible because someone else has told them not to interpret it by them selves. That’s clouding the potential understandings of the bible.

Those are walls built up that hinder us from seeing past them to the true light.

Those walls must be torn down.

You still may not understand what I just said, but perhaps someday, you will remember what I told you and be blessed with new enlightenment.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

I express love in Jesus and how He loves me. And all I get is flak because I am not a Catholic.
If I don't express the love of Jesus in Catholic terms, I am ostracized as a heretic and speaking heresy.

Either we have the love of Christ in us or we don’t! Which is it? If we do, what else matters?
I mean if you are a Catholic, and I a Baptist, a Mormon or a JW, or even an Atheist, and we both express the love of Christ in us, what difference does our practices make?

Absolutely nothing: right? Why? Is it because the love of Christ in us is greater than of all those things?

Following the bible is a matter of opinion. One follows it one way, the other another way. Some don’t even have a clue what is in the bible because someone else has told them not to interpret it by them selves. That’s clouding the potential understandings of the bible.

Those are walls built up that hinder us from seeing past them to the true light.

Those walls must be torn down.

You still may not understand what I just said, but perhaps someday, you will remember what I told you and be blessed with new enlightenment.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

You keep missing the point so many people are telling you. you can't follow the Bible anyway you want, as you suggested. God is God, and His teachings, logically, must be the same for all. It is not a matter of what you or I want to believe, but rather what He wants us to believe. Your way leads not to life, but to death. The true faith leads to salvation.

 

[talloola]

Do most faiths "worship" from the bible,I know muslims don't, and others, but all of the others.

And, of all who do worship from the bible, how is it possible for "all" to interpret it the same.
There is much criticism on this forum that some do not follow the "actual" word of god, from the bible, but how could they, if their interpretation is different, who is wrong, and who is right.
In other aspects of life, different interpretations can be picked up, on many different subjects, and many could be "interesting", and
just a different way of looking at the same thing, but not always right or wrong.

 

[hermanntrude]

Do all faiths "worship" from the bible, ( I know muslims don't), but all of the others?

Hindus don't, buddhists don't, jainists don't, animalists don't. the list of religions is by no means limited to christian and islam

 

[darkbeaver]

The bible is certainly subject to interpertation, that's why christianity is so wrought with contention including the bloodiest history of any human institution. Nobody can compute the numbers of dead
sacrificed through theological argument over how many sheep could pass through the eye of a needle during a downpour of cats and dogs in the first week of october following a blue moon.:wave:

 

[snfu73]

Yes...you are very right...I find it interesting how many interpretations of the bible their are out there...and each interpretation seems to be touted as the RIGHT interpretation. I was saying in a post before how a couple of people I know belong to this Word of God, or Word of Faith, or something church and their interpretation of the bible is that women are not to speak at gatherings. Some christian based churches are open to members of the GLBT community being active members and part of the...I dunno what it's called...workings of the church...while others are horribly cruel to these members. There are so many interpretations. Even within those who believe, or have faith, there seems to be little agreement as to what god is really saying or wants folks to do. And...I ramble. I shall end there.

 

[talloola]

Hindus don't, buddhists don't, jainists don't, animalists don't. the list of religions is by no means limited to christian and islam

I know there are lots who don't, but I am concerned with the ones who do, and their different
interpretations of the bible, and who knows, "which one is right".

 

[snfu73]

I know there are lots who don't, but I am concerned with the ones who do, and their different
interpretations of the bible, and who knows, "which one is right".

Which one is right? None...and all. Who knows. Most CLAIM that their interpretation is the correct interpretations...but who is to say?

 

[Sparrow]

I am a person that see the picture when I read. Your posts are out of this world and I can actually see people trying to squeeze through that needle. You made my day with this one!

 

[Sparrow]

Above msge addresssed to Darkbeaver

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

As this is posted in a Christian Discusssion forum I'm not sure if bringing up non-christain religions is a valid point. It's like discussing Ford warranties in a Toyota forum. A bit OT, IMO. Now if you want to bring up the point that the original RC church requires faith and good works to achieve salvation and that some protestant faiths only require faith. I would suggest that on this point good works takes precedent over faith. We only have to look to the biblical story of the Good Samaritan. Samaritans were not christian or jewish. Yet I would assume the point of the story is one can find some form of salvation in good works irregardless of faith. Would salvation thru good deeds not eventually rid you of sin or at least mitigate the punishment?