How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

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As an add on to my desire realm post....
Karma that kicker that is based on cause and effect took form from mind...it eventually got grosser and denser and eventually helped create the very fabric of the universe we all are trapped in.....

amen brothers and sisters.....
Doc is done ...where's that willie vid das put up....the one with the prancing cowboys...
 
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It's sorta like those old cartoons we watched Saturday mornings - you know: Where Sylvester has the horny li'l dude on his left shoulder saying go for it, and the li'l winged guy on his right saying NO (or was it the other way around? Don't matter) Tweety was in the open cage in front of him and Granny was out there somewhere beyond the page with a broom. His head - conscience - was stuck right in the middle of the muddle....

Wolf

ya mean this


i think this is what we have developed into...i mean it's been so long since we were just all one mind..before desire set in...and out of desire this...and this has been going on like for an eternity of eternities multiplied by eternity....and like thats just a blink in time....multiply an infinte amount of those blinks and you got like maybe..two blinks worth of time....

all these religions and junk that deal in the finite little world we are trapped in...money power scams....period....there is no god the creator...no one could be that psycho and be able to think up all the physics that go into this place....well maybe yeah....but still how evil is that...unless we are all praying to the devil....nah.......

We did it and it is as simple as we got addicted to desire..and it grew....now we're in it and like there is this huge craving to get back to the oneness of it all...NIRVANA....liberation from the desire realm....
 

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Love is a choice. If bad things didn't happen to good people we'd all be Skinner boxes.
 
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Love is a choice. If bad things didn't happen to good people we'd all be Skinner boxes.

whats a skinner box?

My point is Bitwhys is that i just can't fathom a being standing apart from all this suffering and watching it happen.....i can fathom all of us being stupid enough to create it ourselves......

Oh and the bit about yeah well he gave us his only begotten son to die on the cross for us....lol...again part of him is watching...whilst the other part tries it on for 24 hours....if he really did try it on he would have ended the whole thing and started over.....make a place for us all in heaven as an act of forgiveness , take all the fallen into hell out realizing it wasn't really their fault the game was rigged from the start...nah man..NOOOOO BODY IS THAT SADISTIC.....
 

BitWhys

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whats a skinner box?...

i just can't fathom a being standing apart from all this suffering and watching it happen...

B.F. Skinner. Radical Behaviorism, positive feedback loops and that sort of thing.

Neither could Job. for a while, anyways. Good Luck with that.
 
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B.F. Skinner. Radical Behaviorism, positive feedback loops and that sort of thing.

Neither could Job. for a while, anyways. Good Luck with that.
Not afraid your skinner boxes are lost to me....still doesn't amke sense in context....

ahhhh Job....wasn't he related to some guy who lived in a whale...same book differnt chapter?
 

BitWhys

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Not afraid your skinner boxes are lost to me....still doesn't amke sense in context....

ahhhh Job....wasn't he related to some guy who lived in a whale...same book differnt chapter?

reward and punishment. If doing good always yielded good this whole fiasco would be little more than an IQ test.

Job managed to deserve a book all to himself. You aren't the first one who thinks he can keep score better than the creator.
 
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reward and punishment. If doing good always yielded good this whole fiasco would be little more than an IQ test.

Job managed to deserve a book all to himself. You aren't the first one who thinks he can keep score better than the creator.
ok thanks for the skinner box....good analogy i gotta say....

Nah ..don't keep better score...just trying to get a message to him....but then he knew that .....:p

Bitwhys....i suspect yer not a Bible puncher, and i think thats why we are able to exchange views and , for me at least, get to think.
You make me think and I respect you for that....
You'll also notice i don't post crap towards you..i respect you....

Maybe just maybe the whole thing lies somewheres in between my posts today and yours.....

i have to admit to all here....i honestly , truly honestly do not know for sure.....i wouldn't take life or death bets on my spiritual views.....

hey thanks for your time here Bitwhys
 
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look3467

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Ya'al are listening and some of it is filtering through. I can tell by what you write.

Listen up for a second, are ya'al not your own person?
You could rape, kill and just about do anything you want to any body else and that is called evil.

Why is it that way? Take away the choice thing, and walla!, your perfect.

But as it is, we are not perfect and are flawed, why, because death is always a Shadow away.

Why then must we have to be born in the first place. Did I ask to be born? For some it would have been better if they had never being born because life here was pure hell.

But, then again, there wouldn't be a "you".

Yes, "YOU". You are who you are, black, white brown or yellow, christian, non-christian, believer, non-believer, whatever it is that "You " are that who you are, and individual with a name.

That individual "you" is what lives on, but not before being born an entity all of your own.

God created such a place where "you" would be tried and tested, not for condemnation, but for the building up of character and to build the individual "you"

"You" is what God wanted, brought you into this world, and then made arrangements to export "you" to a better place which has no end.

If you don't believe none of whatever I say, study it yourself and find it out for yourself.

"You" all seem to think that you are responsible only to yourselves and indeed true, so, then, rather than argue points, delve into the bible, the Koran, and as many books as you can, and be true to yourself, and find out the real truth of the matter.

I have done just that, and I can tell you, no matter what the sciences say, no matter what proofs are necessary, my God is above all that.

All covered in a blanket of love and compassion, after all, it was not I who chose to be born.

But, because I am, I will seek to find out why and how do I get out of this mess.

I've found the answer, am content, and await my departure with great hope and peace of mind.

Can you all do the same?

Can you give me hope after this life? What can you tell me that would give me satisfaction?

Surely to say this is all there is, will not cut it, regardless of all the endless arguments given.

I in turn, offer ya'al a ray of hope, peace of mind and contentment in your trials and sufferings simply by looking to God for your source of strength.

Give is a whirl, won't you?

I'm not just blowing smoke, I researched it out, and found what I was looking for.
Each one of you must do the same.

Peace>>>AJ
 
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Why then must we have to be born in the first place. Did I ask to be born? For some it would have been better if they had never being born because life here was pure hell.

But, then again, there wouldn't be a "you".

Yes, "YOU". You are who you are, black, white brown or yellow, christian, non-christian, believer, non-believer, whatever it is that "You " are that who you are, and individual with a name.

That individual "you" is what lives on, but not before being born an entity all of your own.

God created such a place where "you" would be tried and tested, not for condemnation, but for the building up of character and to build the individual "you"

"You" is what God wanted, brought you into this world, and then made arrangements to export "you" to a better place which has no end.



I in turn, offer ya'al a ray of hope, peace of mind and contentment in your trials and sufferings simply by looking to God for your source of strength.

Give is a whirl, won't you?


Peace>>>AJ
Duuuuude..this sounds like something righ out of the pages of aristocratic bafflegab to keep the masses in check...it's like some meanigfull message to keep the workers in line
 

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If I go against the Church, though I may feel no guilt, they call me sinner. If I go against the law, though I may feel no sin, they call me guilty - but if I go against my conscience, then I feel guilt. Seems to me that to get rid of sinfulness, we have to be true to our selves....

Wolf

I would think, that depends what you're feeling guilty about, this could be a vicious circle, eg. you
could be feeling guilty because you don't go to church, but, maybe you really don't want to go to
church, so then, why would you feel guilty. Too much brain washing earlier in life, that you can't
shed, or ?
Don't feel guilty about anything, except 'hurting others'.
 

look3467

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Duuuuude..this sounds like something righ out of the pages of aristocratic bafflegab to keep the masses in check...it's like some meanigfull message to keep the workers in line
Maybe I should write a book?
Titled "Bafflegab", the title alone would intrique some to look into it.
THANKS

Peace>>>AJ
 

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Doc

Remember Sanctus is also walking his own path and can relate only his interpretation of his learning and what he has been taught to follow..


Which is the same for us all, I would think. For obvious reasons Church doctrine and foundational teaching forms a big part of my daily walk in this feebled world. Christ forms and conditions me and I am daily surrounded by support for this thinking.
 

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Not afraid your skinner boxes are lost to me....still doesn't amke sense in context....

ahhhh Job....wasn't he related to some guy who lived in a whale...same book differnt chapter?


Different book:) You're thinking of Jonah. Further, the Scriptures never refer to the animals Jonah was encased in as a "whale".

Regardless, the story is a parable, of man's isolation from God and his eventual reunion with Him.
 

sanctus

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I'm still having problems with this entity that created the whole affair....I've always been hung up on the creating evil aspect of the thing...


But why? In other words, why does God have to create evil? What exactly is the definition of "evil"?
Do you see it as sinning? And if so, what do you define as "sinning"?