How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I may not be ordained and I may not even be Catholic any more but I still consider myself part of the church in some form or another (I'm sure Sanctus has issues with that but I'm also sure he has more important things to worry about and so do I) so when you call out the "parasitic horde", I'm there.

So what's the question?

*puts on best jerry lewis old old jewish lady accent*
Oy Vey!!!
now yer starting to sound like that guy here..whats his name greenland or something...oh yeah sanfransici....did you drove or did you flew....


and now it's "so what's the questtYUN?" oy ..are you a pain....

what do you mean whats the question...i asked already...Go have a look already .....try going through the last page and see if you can guess what i'm on about...."what kinda person are you....where do you people come from already!!!

btw u and me....you are way better at the political stuff...here yer way too enigmatic.......but fun just the same....have you ever tried a porkpie hat....you should wear one in this thread.....Now be a good boy and make for mama...Stop with the constipation already .....

 

[BitWhys]

heh

I count four questions out of you on the last page. I'm not a psychic.

you ARE afraid to ask the question.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

heh

you ARE afraid to ask the question.

Did God create evil? From a catholic point of view....If not, who did?


k

it's an inane question from where i sit....but the sanctus guy did say god is a catholic and that the catholic church is the one true chutch ...soooooo I'm asking sanctus if god created evil....he seemed to wax and wane and say .....blah blah.....gee bitwhys...do i really have to go on teduim.... tedious .....


toodles

 

[BitWhys]

Did God create evil? From a catholic point of view....If not, who did?

Well I don't know about the Catholic point of view but I don't believe he did.

What he DID do was create us to be like Him in the aspect of being capable of recognizing and choosing between acts of good and evil. We're the ones who choose to DO evil. Not him. So if He's to be faulted for anything, fault Him for making us human.

You might consider that an act of evil but, personally, I may be a curmudgeon but I'm not THAT much of a cynic.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Well I don't know about the Catholic point of view but I don't believe he did.

What he DID do was create us to be like Him in the aspect of being capable of recognizing and choosing between acts of good and evil. We're the ones who choose to DO evil. Not him. So if He's to be faulted for anything, fault Him for making us human.

You might consider that an act of evil but, personally, I may be a curmudgeon but I'm not THAT much of a cynic.

Well i dunno i'm just trying to get a basic premise here...
Lets say i'm back at a point where i believe in the whole nine yards of Catholism...So i ask....was there a time when there was only god....yes...did he create everything....yes.....how did evil enter the creation if not put there by him? who put it there...Everything came from him?


now you you say we're the one's who choose to DO evil....ok i can dig that....who created the evil for us to choose....i mean if it wasn't there before he started to create ,and it's there now...who created it?...it's all i want to know...

temptation...there ya go...another trouble spot that invovles free will...hey i'm tempted to help old ladies knit....nice one Dave....thats a good thing.....hey some joe schmoe is tempted to steal kids' toys...bad joe schmoe...thats a bad thing.....

Before the creation neither of the above could take place.
Only after the creation....there is an infinite amount of variables to come into being before the said acts can take place and become history....who created the infinite amount of variables?......

i mean it's a simple question either God created EVERYTHING or he didn't.....there seems to be some weird reason why Catholic priests do not want to admit that their God created evil....evil is one aspect of creation...there fore.....

 

[BitWhys]

...how did evil enter the creation if not put there by him...

Ask me if I believe God created the IDEA of evil. Not the doing it part. Just the concept thingie. I can't remember if that's Aristotle or Socrates. Probably Aristotle.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Ask me if I believe God created the IDEA of evil. Not the doing it part. Just the concept thingie. I can't remember if that's Aristotle or Socrates. Probably Aristotle.

yer good mate.....
ok

Can i ask it this way.

Did god create the potential for evil.

which is what i really am trying to ask.

But then hmmmmm that sort of gets Him off the hook slightly.....Cause I'm really trying to pin him down as a sociopath.......

yer good matey...arghhhh......

 

[BitWhys]

...
Did god create the potential for evil...

Of course He did. But to understand why you need to look beyond the duality of the situation and realize that without doing so there would be no potential to love.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Of course He did. But to understand why you need to look beyond the duality of the situation and realize that without doing so there would be no potential to love.

ok right now...right now .....I think yer genius.....but i shall return...this can't be that easy....
who is this man in the derby?
My .....my....my.....thats good mate.....i am not saying this lightly....i'm crying due the simplicity of this....well sort of crying....ok back....but still impressed....

thank you
there can be a God the creator for me now.....

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

actually seriously thank you man...I've had this long going feud with the God concept...you took some misguided anger from me....maybe it's just i was open to those words Bitwhys.....

 

[Minority Observer84]

God didn't create evil the tooth fairy did

 

[look3467]

There must be a contrast for a determination for choice.
There is night and day, both contrasting, yet both in concert with each other.
There is up and down, both work in concert with each other.
There good and evil both work in concert with each other.

Then there is the ability of a god.
A god, has the ability to do whatever it pleases , whether it be for good or evil.
Animals don't have a choice, therefore can do no evil or good. They may make good pets, and it's not because they have a choice.

The choice then, is for the gods.

We are all gods with respect to choice.

Therefore, contrast is not evil or good, until action determines it.

God created contrast, but not the action of an evil deed.

Mankind by action demonstrates of which it is.

God is all good, and no evil can be found in Him.

Evil is an earthly concept and not a heavenly one.
All earthly desires are lusts against or contrasting to that of the spirit of God.

So Satan is an evil agent detailed as earthly lusts.

Mar 4:19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Our placement in the midst of all these lusts is in the natural and by nature children of wrath.

The contrast is, that out of this nature, good may be born, and not the other way around.

God in His Wisdom has it all figured out, and it is our joy to discover some of it.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

God didn't create evil the tooth fairy did

NAH the tooth fairy is a psycho..she use her super powers to steal kids rotten teeth....she grinds them up and mixes it with stale easter bunny choclate she gets from the Easter bunny ...and sells it to the sandman....
depedning on how rancid the chocolate is why we have nightmares.

 

[Minority Observer84]

NAH the tooth fairy is a psycho..she use her super powers to steal kids rotten teeth....she grinds them up and mixes it with stale easter bunny choclate she gets from the Easter bunny ...and sells it to the sandman....
depedning on how rancid the chocolate is why we have nightmares.

Just don't forget doc , the invisible tooth fairy is always watching .

 

[BitWhys]

...you took some misguided anger from me...

Yeah I noticed that. Mind if I use some of it later? Sometimes I'm a little low on material.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Yeah I noticed that. Mind if I use some of it later? Sometimes I'm a little low on material.

Ha....

 

[lone wolf]

If I go against the Church, though I may feel no guilt, they call me sinner. If I go against the law, though I may feel no sin, they call me guilty - but if I go against my conscience, then I feel guilt. Seems to me that to get rid of sinfulness, we have to be true to our selves....

Wolf

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

If I go against the Church, though I may feel no guilt, they call me sinner. If I go against the law, though I may feel no sin, they call me guilty - but if I go against my conscience, then I feel guilt. Seems to me that to get rid of sinfulness, we have to be true to our selves....

Wolf

makes sense...

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I'm still having problems with this entity that created the whole affair....I've always been hung up on the creating evil aspect of the thing.

We have Bitwhys here saying in order to have love we need the evil thing in the mix.....Then we get to choose not to do evil..and everything's ok.....

but ya see it all comes down to that decision...lets make this place where people can love one and other , and they can lolly gag about in it like flaky adult children....Mean while there is this whole other realm of killing and maiming and raping and stealing and ruining people's lives for the sake of the sheer joy of satisfying some inane jealous blup blurp in the night.....takes deep breath.....and we can war and pollute the crap out of the place so people develope all kinds of desease and tummour and degenerate the body with immune diffeciencies so that we have rotting humans on the hoof eeking out livings under sadistic bosses so that the bosses can feel better in the day for at night their wives whip them into subversity due to family politics.....takes deep breathe.......


yeah fun times for a lit bit of loly ga ga love action......

Soooo it is impossible to believe that this whole nightmare was created by an all powerfull almighty supreme Being....no one is that cruel all inone package....and this isn't just a little bit of fun in the holacost camps,,,,no sireeee bob...this is like forever sadism galore...overflowing buckets of pain and mostly tortue to everyone living here ....no one is happy lad...totally anyway...we all tend to think someone out there is...but alas we all are suffering at some point in the time.....


so doc whats the deal then how did it get here.....well it's hell laddy buck...a form of hell with a few lolly ga ga goodies tossed in to keep ya all here eeking out a bit a happiness in your fragile get sick body......

why is it hell doc...how did it start.....

Well i think we created it out of desire...
desire you say doc....
Yup just plain ole simple desire....

Oh at first it was like to have some form of desireous emotion and bodies were formed to accomadate feeling and emotion....then slowly our minds started to produce more gross bodies with denser matter that needed to to be fed..and infinite eons later desire realms were formed not so unlike the one we are in.....cause and effect started to create negative impulses in the beings who now were getting further and further away from their true nature of oneness...mind only condition......Harder food for energy in denser bodies until finnaly you had what we have today....call it evolution of the mind into a complete realm of desire....

Now isn't evil and love sort of the same root cause.....desire.....

 

[lone wolf]

It's sorta like those old cartoons we watched Saturday mornings - you know: Where Sylvester has the horny li'l dude on his left shoulder saying go for it, and the li'l winged guy on his right saying NO (or was it the other way around? Don't matter) Tweety was in the open cage in front of him and Granny was out there somewhere beyond the page with a broom. His head - conscience - was stuck right in the middle of the muddle....

Wolf