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Ron in Regina

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I wonder how long it took the Vikings to reach North America a 1000 years ago?
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The approximate distance by boat from Scandinavia (e.g., Denmark) to Newfoundland is roughly 2,200 to 2,500 nautical miles or about 4,000 to 4,600 kilometers, requiring a journey of several weeks or months depending on the vessel, weather, and route taken. The most common historical route involves stops in Iceland and Greenland.

A modern sailboat can cover this distance in about 15-20 days at an average speed of 7 knots? Well, that’s….interesting.
 

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The approximate distance by boat from Scandinavia (e.g., Denmark) to Newfoundland is roughly 2,200 to 2,500 nautical miles or about 4,000 to 4,600 kilometers, requiring a journey of several weeks or months depending on the vessel, weather, and route taken. The most common historical route involves stops in Iceland and Greenland.

A modern sailboat can cover this distance in about 15-20 days at an average speed of 7 knots? Well, that’s….interesting.
In the early days of aviation, we did much the same in reverse. Take off from New York or Boston, land at Gander, refuel, take off and land at Shannon in western Ireland, refuel, then on to London or Paris. Maybe a stop at Keflavik, if needed.
 
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I'd say yes. He killed a lot of folk with the intention of wiping out or badly damaging a people (the Murkans). That fits the definition.

Didn't say he's any GOOD at it, mind.
Sure changed the “flight experience” for travellers by air in the decades since though.

“Let me see your shoes, sir!”
“Do you want me to take them off?”
“Please do NOT remove your shoes, sir!”
“Uh, ok?”

Dude proceeds to pull each foot up and look at the sole of the shoe? Yes they’re steal toed. Doesn’t wanna look inside of them. Essentially pats me on the head and sends me on my way to the plane? this really happened about 20 years ago on a flight between Regina and Edmonton. It was WestJet. This was shortly after the shoe bomber thing.
In the early days of aviation, we did much the same in reverse. Take off from New York or Boston, land at Gander, refuel, take off and land at Shannon in western Ireland, refuel, then on to London or Paris. Maybe a stop at Keflavik, if needed.
I hear you. Looking at the distances involved, could it arguably be said that the Vikings travelled to the New World 1000 years ago faster than the Sumud flotilla has yet to reach Israel?

I mean, maybe there were advantages like currents and wind (& the North Sea), vs modern technology, like GPS and diesel engines and actually knowing where you’re going, etc…but it’s still an interesting comparison.
 

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The Vikings didn't have the press to deal with.

Gotta say, the idea of the Vikings "dealing with" the press raises a pretty satisfying visual image.

I mean, maybe there were advantages like currents and wind (& the North Sea), vs modern technology, like GPS and diesel engines and actually knowing where you’re going, etc…but it’s still an interesting comparison.
There were definitely such advantages. The Vikings were very skilled seafarers, and knew their business. They'd take that northern route to avoid the prevailing westerlies and the Gulf Stream, tediously point-sailing along from landfall to landfall. The return was easy. Between the trade-winds and the Gulf Stream, raise sail and don't touch a line until you ran into County Kerry, Ireland. Then hop off the boat and trade your gold and trinkets for whiskey.

First blue-water sailors out of Europe. Not afraid to sail out of sight of land. Though the term "Viking" comes from "vik" in Norse, meaning "river." They were river raiders. They'd sail up a river, knowing it would lead to a town, then loot same, and back to sea.

With their sailing skill, physical size, shipbuilding ability, and experience, when they made it through the Pillars of Herakles (Gibraltar) and into the Mediterranean to face the Roman navy and various others, it was like a pack of wolves let loose in a sheep pen.
 

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For their time, they were physically big. They would be swiped left on dating sites today. Average height of about 5’6” but stocky due to lifestyle. Big dudes for their time.
Yep. Germans always were. And pulling an oar or swinging a battleaxe from about age three onward would probably shock your physical fitness instructor, but it made for some badass sailors/warriors.

Pretty simple philosophy, too. "Eat, loot, or destroy." Perhaps not the most sophisticated worldview, but one that simplifies the socio-cultural issues surrounding "conflict."
 
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Yep. Germans always were. And pulling an oar or swinging a battleaxe from about age three onward would probably shock your physical fitness instructor, but it made for some badass sailors/warriors.
I have a former driver (German) with some crazy genetics. Mid-60’s now and 6 months into his new hip, but he’s never had a sore back ever. Just not designed to be hurt that way.
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This is from about 100’ back in order to fit the length of 75 feet of truck and trailer in the same picture…can you tell which guy I’m talking about? Both guys in dark clothing are 6’ tall.
 

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The approximate distance by boat from Scandinavia (e.g., Denmark) to Newfoundland is roughly 2,200 to 2,500 nautical miles or about 4,000 to 4,600 kilometers, requiring a journey of several weeks or months depending on the vessel, weather, and route taken. The most common historical route involves stops in Iceland and Greenland.

A modern sailboat can cover this distance in about 15-20 days at an average speed of 7 knots? Well, that’s….interesting.
You've never sailed?
 

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You've never sailed?
No. I’ve never sailed. Water skied a few times, crossed some ferries in the north with my work truck (across the north Saskatchewan, South Saskatchewan, to Cumberland House, etc…), Catamaran north of Cuba to an island, and that thing sailed along fast, & and it had a full bar, & a couple of vehicle ferries, etc…but no actual sailing that I was participating in beyond the wet bar.
 

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No. I’ve never sailed. Water skied a few times, crossed some ferries in the north with my work truck (across the north Saskatchewan, South Saskatchewan, to Cumberland House, etc…), Catamaran north of Cuba to an island, and that thing sailed along fast, & and it had a full bar, & a couple of vehicle ferries, etc…but no actual sailing that I was participating in beyond the wet bar.
So you're unaware how sailing into the wind works? Its like uphill skiing.
 

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So you're unaware how sailing into the wind works? It’s like uphill skiing.
Uphill, for a month, on an urgent mission, etc…
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How long until they’re rescued from themselves?
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The large flotilla attempting to break the maritime blockade on the Gaza Strip rejected Italy’s calls to stop late Tuesday, saying it was nearing a “critical zone” and expecting Israel to take action soon to stop its advance???

Meanwhile, Israeli authorities have been readying to intercept the many vessels and take the hundreds of activists to shore to be deported or detained, in a complex operation that could potentially come to a head during Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year in Judaism, which starts Wednesday evening.

The Sumud flotilla is being escorted by one Spanish and two Italian navy vessels, which their respective governments have clarified are not expected to use military force.
And Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni urged the flotilla to stop immediately, saying that the aid mission could undermine hopes for peace based on US President Donald Trump’s 20-point proposal for ending the war, rebuilding Gaza and moving toward limited Palestinian statehood.
The organizers claimed the Italian statements amounted to “sabotage” ???

“[The Italian government] is choosing to escort us only to the point of danger and then try to peel us away, delivering us back to shore empty-handed, as Israel continues to slaughter and starve the Palestinian people with complete impunity,” the flotilla said in a statement. “We say again: the flotilla sails onward.”
Israeli officials echoed the view of the Italian PM, calling the flotilla a “provocation designed to serve Hamas.”

One diplomatic source said, “We’ve offered them every opportunity to deliver aid safely — through Ashdod, Ashkelon or even with help from the Italian government and the Vatican. They refused. This is about headlines, not humanitarian relief.”

Italian defence minister Guido Crosetto has said he expects flotilla boats to be intercepted in the open sea and activists to face arrest.
 

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“We’ve offered them every opportunity to deliver aid safely — through Ashdod, Ashkelon or even with help from the Italian government and the Vatican. They refused. This is about headlines, not humanitarian relief.”
The Global Sumud Flotilla consists of more than 40 civilian boats carrying about 500 people, among them parliamentarians, lawyers and activists including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg.

The mission is the latest sea-borne attempt to break Israel's blockade of the Palestinian enclave to deliver food and medicine. It is currently within 120 nautical miles of Gaza's coast, inside an area that Israel is policing to stop any boats approaching.

It expects to arrive on Thursday morning if not intercepted?
The large flotilla attempting to break the maritime blockade on the Gaza Strip rejected Italy’s calls to stop late Tuesday, saying it was nearing a “critical zone” and expecting Israel to take action soon to stop its advance???
Italy and Spain deployed naval ships to help with any rescue or humanitarian needs but have said they will not engage militarily. Turkish drones have also followed the boats.

However, Italy and Spain said they would stop following the flotilla once it got within 150 nautical miles (278 km) of Gaza for safety reasons.
 

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The Global Sumud Flotilla consists of more than 40 civilian boats carrying about 500 people, among them parliamentarians, lawyers and activists including Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg.

The mission is the latest sea-borne attempt to break Israel's blockade of the Palestinian enclave to deliver food and medicine. It is currently within 120 nautical miles of Gaza's coast, inside an area that Israel is policing to stop any boats approaching.

It expects to arrive on Thursday morning if not intercepted?

Italy and Spain deployed naval ships to help with any rescue or humanitarian needs but have said they will not engage militarily. Turkish drones have also followed the boats.

However, Italy and Spain said they would stop following the flotilla once it got within 150 nautical miles (278 km) of Gaza for safety reasons.
What did Turkiye and Egypt say?
 

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What did Türkiye & Egypt say? Anything new in the last day or two? Are they against Trumps peace plan and for this flotilla jeopardizing it?
The foreign ministers of Qatar, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Egypt also approved of the proposal in a joint statement.
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