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Ron in Regina

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I wonder how long it took the Vikings to reach North America a 1000 years ago?
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The approximate distance by boat from Scandinavia (e.g., Denmark) to Newfoundland is roughly 2,200 to 2,500 nautical miles or about 4,000 to 4,600 kilometers, requiring a journey of several weeks or months depending on the vessel, weather, and route taken. The most common historical route involves stops in Iceland and Greenland.

A modern sailboat can cover this distance in about 15-20 days at an average speed of 7 knots? Well, that’s….interesting.
 

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The approximate distance by boat from Scandinavia (e.g., Denmark) to Newfoundland is roughly 2,200 to 2,500 nautical miles or about 4,000 to 4,600 kilometers, requiring a journey of several weeks or months depending on the vessel, weather, and route taken. The most common historical route involves stops in Iceland and Greenland.

A modern sailboat can cover this distance in about 15-20 days at an average speed of 7 knots? Well, that’s….interesting.
In the early days of aviation, we did much the same in reverse. Take off from New York or Boston, land at Gander, refuel, take off and land at Shannon in western Ireland, refuel, then on to London or Paris. Maybe a stop at Keflavik, if needed.
 
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I'd say yes. He killed a lot of folk with the intention of wiping out or badly damaging a people (the Murkans). That fits the definition.

Didn't say he's any GOOD at it, mind.
Sure changed the “flight experience” for travellers by air in the decades since though.

“Let me see your shoes, sir!”
“Do you want me to take them off?”
“Please do NOT remove your shoes, sir!”
“Uh, ok?”

Dude proceeds to pull each foot up and look at the sole of the shoe? Yes they’re steal toed. Doesn’t wanna look inside of them. Essentially pats me on the head and sends me on my way to the plane? this really happened about 20 years ago on a flight between Regina and Edmonton. It was WestJet. This was shortly after the shoe bomber thing.
In the early days of aviation, we did much the same in reverse. Take off from New York or Boston, land at Gander, refuel, take off and land at Shannon in western Ireland, refuel, then on to London or Paris. Maybe a stop at Keflavik, if needed.
I hear you. Looking at the distances involved, could it arguably be said that the Vikings travelled to the New World 1000 years ago faster than the Sumud flotilla has yet to reach Israel?

I mean, maybe there were advantages like currents and wind (& the North Sea), vs modern technology, like GPS and diesel engines and actually knowing where you’re going, etc…but it’s still an interesting comparison.
 

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The Vikings didn't have the press to deal with.

Gotta say, the idea of the Vikings "dealing with" the press raises a pretty satisfying visual image.

I mean, maybe there were advantages like currents and wind (& the North Sea), vs modern technology, like GPS and diesel engines and actually knowing where you’re going, etc…but it’s still an interesting comparison.
There were definitely such advantages. The Vikings were very skilled seafarers, and knew their business. They'd take that northern route to avoid the prevailing westerlies and the Gulf Stream, tediously point-sailing along from landfall to landfall. The return was easy. Between the trade-winds and the Gulf Stream, raise sail and don't touch a line until you ran into County Kerry, Ireland. Then hop off the boat and trade your gold and trinkets for whiskey.

First blue-water sailors out of Europe. Not afraid to sail out of sight of land. Though the term "Viking" comes from "vik" in Norse, meaning "river." They were river raiders. They'd sail up a river, knowing it would lead to a town, then loot same, and back to sea.

With their sailing skill, physical size, shipbuilding ability, and experience, when they made it through the Pillars of Herakles (Gibraltar) and into the Mediterranean to face the Roman navy and various others, it was like a pack of wolves let loose in a sheep pen.
 
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For their time, they were physically big. They would be swiped left on dating sites today. Average height of about 5’6” but stocky due to lifestyle. Big dudes for their time.
Yep. Germans always were. And pulling an oar or swinging a battleaxe from about age three onward would probably shock your physical fitness instructor, but it made for some badass sailors/warriors.

Pretty simple philosophy, too. "Eat, loot, or destroy." Perhaps not the most sophisticated worldview, but one that simplifies the socio-cultural issues surrounding "conflict."
 
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Yep. Germans always were. And pulling an oar or swinging a battleaxe from about age three onward would probably shock your physical fitness instructor, but it made for some badass sailors/warriors.
I have a former driver (German) with some crazy genetics. Mid-60’s now and 6 months into his new hip, but he’s never had a sore back ever. Just not designed to be hurt that way.
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This is from about 100’ back in order to fit the length of 75 feet of truck and trailer in the same picture…can you tell which guy I’m talking about? Both guys in dark clothing are 6’ tall.