Hamas attacks Israel

[petros]

Qatar's Prime Minister said in Davos on Tuesday he hoped the Palestinian Authority would return to play a governing role in Gaza once the war with Israel comes to an end.

Ceasefire deal with Hamas is not a strategic victory for Israel, economy minister says — CNBC

Nir Barka also said that former U.S. President Joe Biden "restrained Israel," and expressed optimism about support from President Donald Trump.

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Speaking at the World Economic Forum's annual meeting in Switzerland, two days after the ceasefire Qatar helped broker came into effect in Gaza, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani cautioned that Gazans -- and not any other country -- should dictate the way the enclave will be governed.

"We hope to see the PA back in Gaza. We hope to see a government that will really address the issues of the people over there. And there is a long way to go with Gaza and the destruction," he said.

Hamas' tight grip on Gaza complicates plan for lasting peace — Reuters

In neighbourhoods levelled by 15 months of war with Israel, Hamas officials are overseeing the clearance of rubble in the wake of Sunday's ceasefire. The group's gunmen are guarding aid convoys on Gaza's dusty roads, and its blue-uniformed police once again patrol city streets, sending a clear...

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How Gaza will be governed after the war was not directly addressed in the deal between Israel and militant group Hamas (???) that led to an immediate ceasefire and hostage releases after nearly 15 months of talks mediated by Qatar, Egypt and the U.S.

Israel has rejected any governing role for Hamas, which ran Gaza before the war, but it has been almost equally opposed to rule by the Palestinian Authority, the body set up under the Oslo interim peace accords three decades ago that has limited governing power in the West Bank.

The PA, dominated by the Fatah faction created by former Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, faces opposition from rival faction Hamas, which drove the PA out of Gaza in 2007 after a brief civil war. Oh well.

Qatar PM hopes Palestinian Authority will return to Gaza when war ends — Reuters

Qatar's Prime Minister said in Davos on Tuesday he hoped the Palestinian Authority would return to play a governing role in Gaza once the war with Israel comes to an end.

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Under the ceasefire deal, any female Israeli soldier released would mean the release of 30 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences and 20 with high-term sentences.

Four more female Israeli hostages will be freed this weekend, Hamas says — Guardian US

Announcement comes as Donald Trump says he is not confident ceasefire deal will hold

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Don't expect the cease-fire to last or holocaustages to be freed.

IDF launches Operation Iron Wall against Palestinian terror in Jenin as PA exits

Palestinian Authority security forces exited the area following a month-long operation of its own against local Palestinian terror groups.

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[Tecumsehsbones]

Don't expect the cease-fire to last or holocaustages to be freed.

IDF launches Operation Iron Wall against Palestinian terror in Jenin as PA exits

Palestinian Authority security forces exited the area following a month-long operation of its own against local Palestinian terror groups.

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It'll last!

For a while.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Don't expect the cease-fire to last or holocaustages to be freed.

Yes, because they (the Jews Israelis Zionists) don’t care about the holocaustages, especially the civilian ones. Hamas released four Israeli female soldiers - and Israel freed 200 Palestinian prisoners. According to the deal, Hamas was to release civilians before soldiers, so does that mean there’s no civilian female hostages left alive?

What about the release of Israeli civilian Arbel Yehud, whom Hamas agreed would have been released this week before the last minute switcheroo? Hamas has insisted that she is alive and will be freed next week? Why do this then? Serious question here.

Arbel Yehud is a woman, a civilian and alive, so therefore should be in the top category of hostages freed in this first phase of the ceasefire, right? However Hamas, without giving a reason, didn't release her.

The releasing four IDF soldiers, as Hamas did today, they secured the release of 200 Palestinian prisoners, including many high-profile detainees. This is many more prisoners than if Hamas had released civilians…& this is something they’d do if they agreed to the terms of the cease-fire (?), or plan on upholding their end of the agreement?

Hamas then released a statement saying that Abel Yehoud is alive and will be freed next Saturday, but they’d already promised/committed to releasing her this week, so what’s that worth?

The Israeli Prime Minister’s Office stated that “Israel today received four female soldiers kidnapped from the Hamas terrorist organization, and in exchange, will release security prisoners according to the agreed-upon deal. In accordance with the agreement, Israel will not allow Gazans to cross into the northern Gaza Strip – until the release of civilian Arbel Yehoud, who was supposed to be released today, is arranged” & next week wasn’t the arrangement agreed upon.

A source in Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is believed to be holding Yehud, told Al Jazeera that the 28-year-old civilian was a soldier and would be “released according to the deal’s terms…(?)”…except, it’s not.

IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said Israel would make sure that Yehud — who Israel believes to be alive — was released soon, along with Shiri Bibas and her children, adding, “We have heavy concerns for their fate.” He said Israel expected more information on the Bibas family soon. Shiri Bibas is the only other female civilian hostage on the list of 33 yet to be freed in the first phase of the deal.

Israel bars Palestinians from returning to north Gaza in row over hostage Arbel Yehud

Jerusalem says Hamas broke truce terms by failing to free civilian woman before soldiers; Hamas official says she is alive, will be released next week

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The swap on Saturday was the second exchange since a ceasefire came into effect on 19 January. Three hostages and 90 Palestinian prisoners were released in the first swap a week ago.

A total of 121 of the 200 released this week had been serving life sentences in Israeli jails - some were convicted of multiple murders, including the killing of Israeli civilians.

Later, a Palestinian official close to Hamas and with knowledge of the ceasefire agreement's implementation told the BBC that "Hamas has just informed the mediators that the Israeli captive, Arbel Yehuda, is alive and will be released next Saturday" for some unknown reason. The January ceasefire deal halted the war which began when Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October 2023. About 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken back to Gaza as hostages.

Has Hamas yet to, even during this latest holocaustage exchange…provided the list of which ones are alive & which ones aren’t (?) that Israel has been requesting for 15 months?

And for 15 months, Bibi has been saying this:

Well, that explains all the clean laundered (?) Hamas uniforms that come out after a cease-fire is announced. They’ve probably been in dry cleaner bags for the last 15 months.

Don't expect the cease-fire to last or holocaustages to be freed.

 

[spaminator]

4 hostages for 200 prisoners.

 

[Ron in Regina]

4 hostages for 200 prisoners.

Four Israeli soldiers swapped for 200 Palestinians; north Gaza shut over hostage still held — Reuters

Hamas freed four female Israeli soldiers on Saturday in exchange for 200 Palestinian prisoners, but a delay in freeing another hostage prompted Israel to block hundreds of thousands of Gazans from returning to the enclave's bombed-out north.

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[Ron in Regina]

Ok, this is kinda funny, & sad, & shows a complete lack of understanding of the region & its (even very recent) history.

Egypt & Jordan have both accepted Palestinian refugees in the recent past, & it bit them both in the arse. Black September anyone? The attacks in the Sinai in 2014? Egypt & Jordan annexing or occupying Gaza or West Bank (& thus its name) from 1948-1967 without creating a Palestinian state?

President Donald Trump said Saturday he wants Egypt and Jordan to accept additional Palestinian refugees from the Gaza Strip while floating a plan to "just clean out" the war-torn area to bring peace to the Middle East.

He suggested the relocations of Palestinians from their homes in Gaza could be either temporary or long-term, & both Egypt & Jordan are gonna get right onto that? Palestinians have attempted (or succeeded) to assassinate leaders of both Egypt & Jordan…in most of our lifetimes.

I think UNRWA can take responsibility through their educational system (at least partially) to the perpetual refugee situation & the peace it brings to almost every nation that accepts Palestinians..

Trump floats plan to 'just clean out' Gaza, move Palestinians to Egypt and Jordan — USA TODAY

President Trump called for Egypt and Jordan to accept additional Palestinian refugees while suggesting a plan to "just clean out" Gaza.

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Speaking with reporters aboard Air Force One, Trump mentioned a call he had earlier that day with King Abdullah II of Jordan.

"I'd like him to take people. I'd like Egypt to take people," Trump said, adding that he plans to speak to Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi on Sunday. Good luck with that.

Maybe Syria & Lebanon will be open to Trumps musing ‘cuz accepting Palestinians into their nations worked out so well for them so far also? Maybe Kuwait is ready to take on Palestinian refugees again since 1991?

"It's literally a demolition site now," Trump said of Gaza. "Almost everything is demolished and people are dying there so I’d rather get involved with some of the Arab nations and build housing in a different location where they can maybe live in peace. It could be either, it could be temporary, it could be long term.” Etc…& I don’t think that shit’ll stick to the wall.

Anyway…the female Israeli soldiers were released on Saturday after more than 15 months of captivity, but Israel said it had wanted civilian Arbel Yehud to be among the freed hostages.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said she “was supposed to be released today”, but a Hamas official said she would be freed next Saturday.

Israel responded by halting plans to allow Palestinians to return to northern parts of Gaza…until arrangements for Arbel Yehud are ironed out.

 

[petros]

Ok, this is kinda funny, & sad, & shows a complete lack of understanding of the region & its (even very recent) history.

Some perspective. Israel is still holding 300+ rock chucking children and 60 women who were never formally charged or went to court.

One civilian is worth holding onto until these kids and women are released or given due process.

As for the 121 killed by Palestinian, They werent Israeli citizens. They didnt live in Israel. They were settler terrorist in occupied Palestine. The terrorist occupiers are fair game.

Hamas didnt kill 1200. 1/3 or more of that number killed was by the hand of the IDF on October 7.

The 1200 includes the kibbutz shelled by IDF tanks, helicopter and ground forces fired on both Hamas and Supernova attendees. 74 vehicles with hostages in them never made it back into Gaza.

No babies were barbecued.

Israeli helicopter opened fire on Israelis in festival during Hamas attack on Oct. 7: Report​

Report details contrary to Israeli official narrative about attack which claimed Hamas gunmen slaughtered revelers during festival​

Anadolu Staff |19.11.2023 - Update : 20.11.2023

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A new report revealed Saturday that an Israeli military helicopter opened fire on Palestinian gunmen but wounded Israelis participating in a festival during an Oct. 7 attack by Hamas against Israel.
The Haaretz newspaper said an Israeli security assessment was based on an investigation by police with Hamas gunmen who were arrested Oct. 7.
Haaretz reported that the military helicopter arrived at the site of the festival and opened fire on the gunmen but also wounded several festival participants.
It said, according to the assessment, the gunmen had no prior information about the festival which was held close to the Kibbutz Re'im, near the borders with Gaza.
Israel's Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper also published a report on Israeli Air Force helicopters intervening in the attack carried out by Hamas from Gaza on Oct. 7.
The newspaper reported that the Israeli forces “found it difficult to identify Hamas militants,” adding that helicopter pilots “used artillery” against civilians at the festival.
"The Hamas terrorists were instructed to slowly blend in with the crowd and not to move under any circumstances,” the newspaper said it its report.
“In this way, they tried to fool the air force into believing that those below were Israelis. This deception worked for a while, until the Apache helicopters had to break free of all restraints. The pilots found it difficult to distinguish who was a terrorist and who was an Israeli,” the report added.
The newspaper said that "when they realized that, some of them decided to use artillery shells against the terrorists independently, without getting permission from their superiors."
Police estimated that the number killed in the festival was 364, but did not reveal their identities.
The investigation details are contrary to the official Israeli narrative on the attack by the Palestinian resistance group which claimed Hamas gunmen slaughtered the revelers in the festival.
Hundreds of Hamas fighters crossed into Israel in a surprise operation named "Al-Aqsa Flood," triggering an Israeli retaliatory bloody onslaught on the Gaza Strip.

Those 400 kids and 60+ rock chucking women illegally detained are the reason for the Hamas attack on October 7.

BTW Israel got a foothold on the Euphrates by allying with Kurds in Syria.

Why arent these facts common knowledge?

Its good to know the big picture.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No babies were barbecued.

Damn vegans!

 

[Ron in Regina]

Good morning! Happy Sunday!

Some perspective. Israel is still holding 300+ rock chucking children and 60 women who were never formally charged or went to court.

300+ children chucking rocks at who & why?

One civilian is worth holding onto until these kids and women are released or given due process.

Oh, so ‘that’s’ why Hamas didn’t release Arbel Yehud? I hadn’t stumbled across ‘that’ reason provided by Hamas this weekend yet. Got a LINK?

As for the 121 killed by Palestinian, They werent Israeli citizens. They didnt live in Israel. They were settler terrorist in occupied Palestine. The terrorist occupiers are fair game.

Ok. Terrorist occupiers are fair game. Got it.

Hamas didnt kill 1200. 1/3 or more of that number killed was by the hand of the IDF on October 7.

Ok. Unfriendly fire. Got it.

The 1200 includes the kibbutz shelled by IDF tanks, helicopter and ground forces fired on both Hamas and Supernova attendees. 74 vehicles with hostages in them never made it back into Gaza.

I’ve seen Hamas/Palestinian GoPro & Cell video from that day. Have you got something (video? Whatever beyond here say?) to back up your claims?

No babies were barbecued.

Damn vegans!

Ok.

Those 400 kids and 60+ rock chucking women illegally detained are the reason for the Hamas attack on October 7.

300+ is 400. Ok, & it’s 60+ rock chucking woman now? This is in the Hamas press release justifying their attack October 7 then. Got a LINK? Who where these 60+ woman chucking rocks at (whom?) and why?

Palestinian stone-throwing - Wikipedia

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The disagreements flared up on Saturday when the Israeli government announced it would prevent Palestinians' passage to the north until the release of Arbel Yehud, a civilian woman hostage.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said Ms Yehud "was supposed to be released" and not doing so was a breach of the truce.

Hamas later said that blocking returns to the north also amounted to a truce violation, adding it had provided "all the necessary guarantees" for Yehud's release.

A Hamas official said the group had informed mediators that she was alive and would be freed on February 1 now. Perhaps the Gazan’s can move into the north of Gaza on February 1 now then?

Israel, Hamas accuse each other of breaching Gaza ceasefire deal

Thousands of displaced Palestinians wanting to return to what's left of their homes have been blocked amid the dispute, after Israel accused Hamas of not releasing a hostage.

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[Ron in Regina]

(Who if the next word starts with a consonant, & Whom if the next word starts with a vowel…Ok, got it)

 

[Taxslave2]

The terrorists don't place much value on the lives of their citizens, when 1 Israeli is worth about 50 terrorists.

 

[Ron in Regina]

The terrorists don't place much value on the lives of their citizens, when 1 Israeli is worth about 50 terrorists.

Or the agreement both sides through mediators agreed to for the cease-fire where civilian woman & children would be the first released before female soldiers, etc…but someone needs to hold their feet to the fire, and if Gazan’s can’t migrate to the north of the Gaza Strip until the Civilian woman & children are released before soldiers kidnapped from Israel Oct 7th, then that’s on Hamas.

Hamas can explain that to the folks trying to get to the northern Gaza Strip, & to Al Jazeera & the BBC, etc…

 

[petros]

The terrorists don't place much value on the lives of their citizens, when 1 Israeli is worth about 50 terrorists.

Kids who chuck rocks arent terrorists. Do you have any idea how many Isrseli illegal settler groups are on international terrorist blacklists? Ill wager you have no clue.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

(Who if the next word starts with a consonant, & Whom if the next word starts with a vowel…Ok, got it)

Um. . . no. "Who" is nominative case, "whom" is accusative.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Kids who chuck rocks arent terrorists. Do you have any idea how many Isrseli illegal settler groups are on international terrorist blacklists? Ill wager you have no clue.

No I don’t know those numbers & thus I must not have a clue. We’re back to the 300+ or the 400 children/kids, or are we including the 60 woman rock chuckers still too?

400 kids and 60+ rock chucking women

How many Israelis have been killed by these thrown stones (?) & is that even relevant because…

The terrorist occupiers are fair game.

Such stone-throwing can at times prove lethal: over a dozen Israelis, including women, children, and infants, have died as a result of stones being thrown at cars???

Palestinian stone-throwing - Wikipedia

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At least 14 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian stone throwing, including three Arabs mistaken for Jews??? Do they count?

The terrorist occupiers are fair game.

What if the terrorist occupiers are Israeli Arabs (not Jews)?

What if the stones are thrown with slingshots (or slings in that part of the world?)? What if they’re thrown with catapults? Trebuchets? Dropped from heights off buildings or bridges? Does that change anything as long as the targets are called terrorist occupiers?

 

[Ron in Regina]

(If Hamas or the Houthis can just wander down to Ahmed’s General Supply & Nail Salon….and build rockets & missiles from off the shelf items, then other Palestinians “should” be able to figure out how to assemble a sling or a trebuchet, right?)

 

[petros]

Good morning! Happy Sunday!

300+ children chucking rocks at who & why?

Oh, so ‘that’s’ why Hamas didn’t release Arbel Yehud? I hadn’t stumbled across ‘that’ reason provided by Hamas this weekend yet. Got a LINK?

Ok. Terrorist occupiers are fair game. Got it.

Ok. Unfriendly fire. Got it.

I’ve seen Hamas/Palestinian GoPro & Cell video from that day. Have you got something (video? Whatever beyond here say?) to back up your claims?


Ok.

300+ is 400. Ok, & it’s 60+ rock chucking woman now? This is in the Hamas press release justifying their attack October 7 then. Got a LINK? Who where these 60+ woman chucking rocks at (whom?) and why?

Palestinian stone-throwing - Wikipedia

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The disagreements flared up on Saturday when the Israeli government announced it would prevent Palestinians' passage to the north until the release of Arbel Yehud, a civilian woman hostage.
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said Ms Yehud "was supposed to be released" and not doing so was a breach of the truce.

Hamas later said that blocking returns to the north also amounted to a truce violation, adding it had provided "all the necessary guarantees" for Yehud's release.

A Hamas official said the group had informed mediators that she was alive and would be freed on February 1 now. Perhaps the Gazan’s can move into the north of Gaza on February 1 now then?
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Israel, Hamas accuse each other of breaching Gaza ceasefire deal

Thousands of displaced Palestinians wanting to return to what's left of their homes have been blocked amid the dispute, after Israel accused Hamas of not releasing a hostage.

www.abc.net.au

Chucking stones at armoured personnel carriers and cope caged "Kill Dozer" style D9 cats used to erase villages and farms on illegally occupied land that have been in families for centuries. How fucking horrible for IDF. Victims of children.

You need Hamas to tell you Israel didnt release all the children illegally detained without due process for throwing rocks in the illegally occupied West Bank? At least they stopped shooting rock chucking children after getting really nasty press and sanctioned.

Read up

Why are there so many Palestinian children in Israeli prisons?

Twenty-three child prisoners released but more than 300 minors remain in Israeli custody, many of them without charges.

www.aljazeera.com

How can you support a terrorist regime that illegally detains children?

End the illegal occupation and Israelis in Palestine wont get attacked.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Chucking stones at armoured personnel carriers and cope caged "Kill Dozer" style D9 cats used to erase villages and farms on illegally occupied land that have been in families for centuries. How fucking horrible for IDF. Victims of children.

You need Hamas to tell you Israel didnt release all the children illegally detained without due process for throwing rocks in the illegally occupied West Bank? At least they stopped shooting rock chucking children after getting really nasty press and sanctioned.

Read up

Why are there so many Palestinian children in Israeli prisons?

Twenty-three child prisoners released but more than 300 minors remain in Israeli custody, many of them without charges.

www.aljazeera.com

And the whole situation is a goddamn mess, and if they’re only throwing rocks at caterpillars, the rebounds are killing civilians over there from infants to the elderly…probably not in the IDF. It’s a common enough thing that there’s a wiki page about it that I posted a link to twice so far today. If you’re curious you better read it before they edit it next.

The only killing I’m involved with was myself earlier with that “Ahmed’s General Supply & Nail Salon” line.

So…Hamas obviously had some influence in who the Israelis are releasing, or Israel wouldn’t be releasing murderers, etc…& of this last batch of 200 released from Israeli prisons in exchange for 4 IDF women…why only two people under the age of 18 so what we would consider children? Israel released 200 Palestinian prisoners, 120 of them serving life sentences, from its jails on Saturday as part of the ceasefire deal. Two of them were children, both 15 years old. Weird that?

You’d think the Palestinians/Hamas would have stipulated that women and children are first…(?)…like the Israelis did, but here we are. Israel went a step further and stipulated that it was going to be women and children civilians first…& though it shouldn’t, does that factor in at all?

 

[petros]

And the whole situation is a goddamn mess, and if they’re only throwing rocks at caterpillars, the rebounds are killing civilians over there from infants to the elderly…probably not in the IDF. It’s a common enough thing that there’s a wiki page about it that I posted a link to twice so far today. If you’re curious you better read it before they edit it next.

The only killing I’m involved with was myself earlier with that “Ahmed’s General Supply & Nail Salon” line.

So…Hamas obviously had some influence in who the Israelis are releasing, or Israel wouldn’t be releasing murderers, etc…& of this last batch of 200 released from Israeli prisons in exchange for 4 IDF women…why only two people under the age of 18 so what we would consider children? Israel released 200 Palestinian prisoners, 120 of them serving life sentences, from its jails on Saturday as part of the ceasefire deal. Two of them were children, both 15 years old. Weird that?

You’d think the Palestinians/Hamas would have stipulated that women and children are first…(?)…like the Israelis did, but here we are. Israel went a step further and stipulated that it was going to be women and children civilians first…& though it shouldn’t, does that factor it at all?

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“Arresting children here is becoming normal,” one human rights activist said.
by Salwa Sadek
Apr 27, 2019, 6:30 AM CST

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Israeli soldiers arrest a young Palestinian boy following clashes in the center of the West Bank town of Hebron, on June 20, 2014. Thomas Coex/AFP/Getty Images

A few weeks ago, a Palestinian teenager was shot and seriously injured by Israeli soldiers as he attempted to flee their custody — despite the fact that he was already handcuffed and blindfolded. Osama Hajahjeh, was among a group of Palestinian youths who were arrested for throwing stones at Israeli soldiers in the West Bank village of Tuqu’.
Earlier this month Israeli troops also arrested Zein Idris, a 9-year-old Palestinian boy, at his school in the West Bank city of Hebron and held him at a nearby military base



A video clip, recorded by human rights campaigner Aref Jaber, shows Israeli soldiers inside the elementary school attempting to remove Zein Idris and his younger brother, 7-year-old Taim, as teachers and the school principal attempt to stop the soldiers from taking the boys.
At one point, a soldier threatens to break a teacher’s arm if he doesn’t let go of Zein. Zein was eventually taken away to an army vehicle and was held at a nearby military base for just under an hour, according to the school.
Osama and Zein are just two of the thousands of Palestinian children who have been detained, injured, or even killed by Israeli armed forces over the years for throwing rocks. “Arresting children here is becoming normal,” Jaber, the human rights activist, told CNN.
But children being detained is far from “normal.”

“The situation on the ground in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, with more than five decades of Israeli military occupation, is that of a perpetual human rights crisis with severe impact on children’s rights, who are victims of unlawful killings, arbitrary detention, and collective punishment policies such as home demolitions,” Saleh Higazi, deputy regional director for the Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International, told me.

Children as young as 9 are being detained for throwing rocks​

Each year approximately 500-700 Palestinian children, some as young as 12, are detained and prosecuted in the Israeli military court system. The most common charge is stone-throwing, according to Defence for Children International-Palestine (DCI-P).

Israeli military law allows anyone 12 or older to be imprisoned. But according to Bill Van Esveld, a senior researcher for the Children’s Rights Division at Human Rights Watch, stone throwing is “also considered a ‘security’ crime under Israeli military law, which means that Palestinian kids accused of stones throwing may even be deprived of certain legal protections.”

 

[Ron in Regina]

Beats just strapping explosives to them and sending them off into a crowd, I guess.

Beats equipping them with AK’s & green headbands, then counting them on the civilian casualties list.

Not saying imprisonment is acceptable, but pointing out the obvious.