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So you have faith in Jagmeet Singh (& his outgoing MP’s) doing what they say they’ll do…& not screw over the Canadian Taxpayer for pensions they wouldn’t otherwise receive…for life?
If so, you’ve got more faith in their integrity & ethics than I do…& same for all the Libs that came in, in 2019.
Its all Singh can do for course correction. le Bloc wants one ASAPQT2S.
The new leader is someone that either nobody knows, or know as a Trudeau sycophant, & the Libs would need time to spin a narrative with a honeymoon period (anybody ‘new’ will get one, in theory) without Poilievre figuratively tearing them apart in Parliament…& straight to an election doesn’t allow that…with 60 days max.
The only thing that seems to make sense of the Liberal actions is to get the procurement bill passed, & then immediately prorogue Parliament again, to buy that time to spin the narrative, without having to be answerable.
I’m not expecting too much I don’t think, but just trying to fit the puzzle pieces together, with some kind of a logic, even if it isn’t a logic I agree with. The only thing that makes sense is that they know this procurement bill is going to pass, or why Prorogue to March 27th?
Either the NDP or Bloc is in the pocket of the Liberals for that to make sense, & it’s not the Bloc at this point ‘cuz they are absolutely destroying the Libs in the polls in Quebec. They’re not gonna screw that up by playing the role of NDP lapdogs.
Singh is toast, and he knows it, & he has his pension…but the rest of the NDP & Lib MP’s that entered parliament in 2019 don’t.
The Bloc wants an election immediately before the wind of change blow, & most of the NDP…& most of the Liberals, know they’re done like dinner no matter what they do at this point… but if they can carry this out until October 27th, they all get pensions for life.
Sparks fly as MPs question minister on pension implications of proposed election date change
Sparks flew at a parliamentary committee Thursday as MPs questioned Canada's democratic institutions minister about a widely opposed provision in electoral reform legislation that seeks to delay the next fixed election date by one week.
Moving election means tens of millions in extra pensions
The Canadian Taxpayers Federation released estimates showing how much it could cost to delay the next election by a week and trigger the pension eligibility for members of Parliament elected in 2019.
Has to be a new Govt by May.The new leader is someone that either nobody knows, or know as a Trudeau sycophant, & the Libs would need time to spin a narrative with a honeymoon period (anybody ‘new’ will get one, in theory) without Poilievre figuratively tearing them apart in Parliament…& straight to an election doesn’t allow that…with 60 days max.
The only thing that seems to make sense of the Liberal actions is to get the procurement bill passed, & then immediately prorogue Parliament again, to buy that time to spin the narrative, without having to be answerable.
I’m not expecting too much I don’t think, but just trying to fit the puzzle pieces together, with some kind of a logic, even if it isn’t a logic I agree with. The only thing that makes sense is that they know this procurement bill is going to pass, or why Prorogue to March 27th?
Either the NDP or Bloc is in the pocket of the Liberals for that to make sense, & it’s not the Bloc at this point ‘cuz they are absolutely destroying the Libs in the polls in Quebec. They’re not gonna screw that up by playing the role of NDP lapdogs.
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Singh is toast, and he knows it, & he has his pension…but the rest of the NDP & Lib MP’s that entered parliament in 2019 don’t.
The Bloc wants an election immediately before the wind of change blow, & most of the NDP…& most of the Liberals, know they’re done like dinner no matter what they do at this point… but if they can carry this out until October 27th, they all get pensions for life.
(Postponing the vote by even one day has the knock-on effect of securing pensions for 80 MPs first elected in 2019 who wouldn't qualify if they lost their seats before hitting their six year service mark: Oct. 21, 2025)Sparks fly as MPs question minister on pension implications of proposed election date change
Sparks flew at a parliamentary committee Thursday as MPs questioned Canada's democratic institutions minister about a widely opposed provision in electoral reform legislation that seeks to delay the next fixed election date by one week.www.ctvnews.ca
We can't host the G7 in Kananaskis Alberta come June with a Govt that wont be around 4 months after. All the Premiers and their top Ministers will be there with order books, development deals, leases, royalty deals. All the banks too.
Its an insult to the Premiers to not have a Fed Govt backing their moves.
Its embarassing.
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This isn’t about what’s good or necessary for Canada, but this about what’s best for the Liberal Party to ensure its survival above all else.
So what else is new?
The world isnt expecting a Liberal Govt. It wasnt just Canadians pushing him/her/them/they out.
This will be the first whispers of a common currency. Trump is already shouting it.
Shit has gotten far to big for 4 month Hodgepodge Lodge Libs.
The economy has already pivoted to ugly and dirty resources and deregulation. 2022 was a record year for resource exploration then dropped in 2023. Right now, shit is surging to new records. The world knows.
Ok, these two in the video below, lean more towards your theory than mine:
(Some very interesting comments above with respect to Proroguing by Harper, & Trudeau’s conflicting comments about the same…this will make sense if you watch the above video)
Harper prorogued in 2008 to avoid a constitutional crisis, & Trudeau prorogued in 2025 to avoid a confidence vote & the Liberal Party imploding even further. They are two very different things.
If the Trudeau Liberals are already doing the above, & really don’t give two shits about what’s in the best interest of Canada…
The G7, & Trump coming into office, become background secondary factors to the survival of the Liberal Party, & the pensions of the outgoing Liberal & NDP MP’s that entered parliament in 2019. I know this sounds super cynical, but it makes sense in a warped and selfish way.
You see the opposition parties having the opportunity to have a nonconfidence vote, & I see that opportunity being removed by the Liberal/NDP non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition-type coalition…’cuz now Jugmeet has nothing left to lose (his pension is guaranteed), but the rest of his party…their pensions aren’t guaranteed…yet.
You posted a video of Kevin O’Leary…
Here’s another video by the same guy showing that the liberals really just don’t give two shits about Canada (whether that’s true intentional acts, or sheer incompetence), so why would they start now? They’re out the door. They can also read the polls, so why should operating in Canada‘s best interests become their priority now in the last minutes of the game…?
There is the GG and dissolution of Parliament.
The "questionable status of Justin's emotional state to remain as Prime Minister is detrimental to himself and Canada."
We are at war, going into the most crucial G7 meeting in its near 50 year history and they're also NATO allies. As Jr EU applicant Ukraine will represented.
Far to important to wait. We know policy change is coming. Those changes need to be in place to make deals and give confidence and assurances.
A 4 month group of newbies can't promise jackshit.
So, in your opinion, the Current Liberal Party, & the NDP I guess, knowing most of them won’t win their ridings & will lose their seats, will all become altruistic, & set aside their potential life-time pensions & will opt then for a snap election that Poilievre and the Conservatives, with odds greater than 99%, will win?
Is that about right? You have that much faith in the Liberals & NDP?
The above is a week old, & lots has happened in the last week with Trudeau announcing his intention to eventually resign, and about a dozen Liberals being speculated about running to replace him, with few actually committing to it, so maybe the Liberals & NDP’s odds have improved in the last week by some margin, but enough to see them choose to go to a snap election in March to have the vote in May?
The current aggregate poll projections should be out later today on Canada338 for January 12th…to see which way the wind has blown in the last week.
Either way they go down. If they are worthy incumbants they will get a pension.
I don’t think we’re on the same page here.
I think the NDP are already bought and paid for, will support the Liberals in late March, then prorogue Parliament again so no confidence vote. I’m not envisioning the liberals or the NDP to be altruistic enough towards the good of Canada, & more selfish towards their own needs as priority over the good of Canada.
I don’t have the faith you do in the liberals and the NDP I guess, to do the right thing.
So in my riding we have a do nothing so far former aide to the 30 yr incumbent that is one of the people up for the pension qualification.
If I am a Liberal nominee I am hard on that position of stopping Eric Melillo from qualifying for the pension. It won't make a hill of beans difference to the outcome of the race and like others before him for the constituents will never be heard from again until the next election.
As is I will vote for the next best chance which will get trampled in the Conservative sweep to power. Actually looking at the list of services rendered by the office certificates to commemorate notable birthdays, anniversaries, and special occasions seems to be high on the list of duties. Where the hell is AI for this stupid shit.
If I am a Liberal nominee I am hard on that position of stopping Eric Melillo from qualifying for the pension. It won't make a hill of beans difference to the outcome of the race and like others before him for the constituents will never be heard from again until the next election.
As is I will vote for the next best chance which will get trampled in the Conservative sweep to power. Actually looking at the list of services rendered by the office certificates to commemorate notable birthdays, anniversaries, and special occasions seems to be high on the list of duties. Where the hell is AI for this stupid shit.
(The only confirmed leadership candidates thus far are Liberal MP Chandra Arya and former Liberal MP Frank Baylis)
After 9+ years in Parliament, I’d never heard of Chandra Ayra before yesterday morning….& if parliament is actually allowed to happen, & Frank Baylis (via Anita Anand, who would never heard of him before giving him a sole source contract reserved for Liberal friends & family during Covid) would be completely dismantled in Parliament before an election… so the fact that he’s willing to pony up $350,000.00 is another indicator to me that Parliament isn’t gonna happen beyond a single day or so in late March before the next proroguing.
After 9+ years in Parliament, I’d never heard of Chandra Ayra before yesterday morning….& if parliament is actually allowed to happen, & Frank Baylis (via Anita Anand, who would never heard of him before giving him a sole source contract reserved for Liberal friends & family during Covid) would be completely dismantled in Parliament before an election… so the fact that he’s willing to pony up $350,000.00 is another indicator to me that Parliament isn’t gonna happen beyond a single day or so in late March before the next proroguing.
No we arent on the same page. You seem to be ignoring whats happening around the globe. We"re in WWWIII. Its real. Its 50/50 that we take a hit. Do you want 5 years of Emergency Act while an emotionally damaged Trudeau still holds power? Then there is BRICS and a multipolar trade blocks forming. Globalism is dead, the world is scrambling
The external pressures that pushed Trudeau to quit are going to push for a May election. Pensions mean nothing to the international powers that be and the trillions in trade that needed securing yesterday.
They will go ahead with a G6 meeting without Canada.
Do you think that matters more to the liberals and the NDP in Canada at this point, unless they can use that for their own survival?
I agree that things are going to shit and I agree that we should’ve been in an election cycle a long time ago, but it’s gonna come down to the avarice and selfishness of the current outgoing MP’s from the Libs & NDP….& whether they think of Canada first, or themselves first.
Libs arent going to make party status in May or in October. By Oct Singh won't have a seat to go back to. If May Singh can still salvage the NDP and maybe keep his seat. What are the greedy going to do when their EI runs out. Nobody is going to hire a traitor.
October is death to both parties.
Trudeau can still go to the GG to have Parliament dissolved. There might be other means to dissolve if it's deemed Trudeau is unfit to be PM in the interim.
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The last 30 months are the death to both parties, & they both know it. An immediate snap election would look very similar to the Canada338 projections (which still aren’t out for today yet), so stalling for time while re-proroguing parliament (keeps the opposition out of the spotlight) is a big plus for the liberals…& dragging things out till after Oct 20th is a huge plus for any outgoing Lib or NDP MP’s, and screw Canadians ‘cuz we’re just the peons anyway.
I hope you’re right & I’m wrong here.