Liberal stronghold riding in Toronto up for grabs today!!!
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The wall around Gaza?
I like the Floyd reference.
Pause and think...if only the East German people had arms.
If the partitioned Jews had the ability to lob rockets from the Warsaw ghetto, where would we be today?
Is it cool to partition people?
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What came first? The
Weirdly, Israel isn’t the only country that borders Gaza, there’s also a wall between Gaza & Egypt. Why? Was it in reaction to an immigration issue (?) or a terrorism. issue (?) or some other issue?
The egg and the first amphibians first appeared 360ish million years ago in the late Devonian. Its the origins of what we know as an egg.
Why does it look like a prison? Good question.
Israel claims they own Gaza and West Bank so technically a gang of Patriots from the prison rebelled and started a civil war.
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Well, Israel did UN-annex the West Bank from Jordan, & ended Egypts military rule of Gaza. Is that something that can be agreed upon? The “Palestinians” didn’t accomplish that themselves.
Then the Wall/Fence/Barrier. If you claim to own something, why fence it “away” from you (?) with the barrier on the Israeli side of the “border” (for lack of a better term assuming Israel believes it owns Gaza) and not constructed on the “Gaza” side???
Gaza–Israel barrier - Wikipedia
Way back when when Christ was a cowboy, & the British, who had control of a significant chunk of the Middle East due to World War™ 1 & 2 and armistice agreements and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, etc…had promised a lot of people a lot of things. They promised more things than they had to give away in their promises.
The original chunk of land that Britain was going to create both Israel & an Arab state that we think of today as a future Palestine, it was a pretty significant chunk of ground, and it included what’s currently now Gaza, Israel, what’s now called the West Bank, & what’s now called Jordan. This was in the mandate for “Mandatory Palestine” & I know the term could be confusing in today’s terminology with the term Palestinians being adopted by a portion of those in the Middle East since the British vacated the area & idea, and dumped it in the lap of the newly formed (at the time) UN.
Anywho, shortly after this, before finalizing sorting out borders and boundaries, etc…2/3rds of that same chunk of land was given away to somebody else leaving a much smaller portion to be divided up now. Trans-Jordan was carved out of that previous chunk of land…Whoopsies!!!
Please ignore the title of the below video animated explanation, as the same video is out on YouTube with several different titles, and this just happens to be the one I can find this morning. Sums things up until a little over a decade to go. Interesting and informative, while simplistic & entertaining:
Yes, Gaza borders TWO countries, & BOTH have Barricades between themselves and Gaza, for their own similar reasons, and where’s the current outrage against Egypt over this today? Also pretty queer, right?
What is the difference between both Egypt and Jordan…& Israel in today’s outrage? Does UNRWA teach the “Palestinians” that Egypt and Jordan do not have a right to exist? Are Egypt and Jordan not JKK Zionist enough for condemnation? Is it possibly something else?
I concur with your assessment of the above situation. In the big picture, chickens are relatively newcomers on the scene. The egg (especially the hard shell has opposed to softshell) open up terrestrial expansion from what until that point was a water-world for non-plant life.
Amphibians with their soft shells started the process, but the hard shell egg creating its own mini ecosystem was the key to expansion beyond coastlines and tide pools.
Cool video. As Ive said before, Palestinians are by far the most westernized Muzzie going.
Well, Israel did UN-annex the West Bank from Jordan, & ended Egypts military rule of Gaza. Is that something that can be agreed upon? The “Palestinians” didn’t accomplish that themselves.
Then the Wall/Fence/Barrier. If you claim to own something, why fence it “away” from you (?) with the barrier on the Israeli side of the “border” (for lack of a better term assuming Israel believes it owns Gaza) and not constructed on the “Gaza” side???
Could this be in reaction to something like terrorism & suicide bombings, etc…?Gaza–Israel barrier - Wikipedia
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Way back when when Christ was a cowboy, & the British, who had control of a significant chunk of the Middle East due to World War™ 1 & 2 and armistice agreements and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, etc…had promised a lot of people a lot of things. They promised more things than they had to give away in their promises.
The original chunk of land that Britain was going to create both Israel & an Arab state that we think of today as a future Palestine, it was a pretty significant chunk of ground, and it included what’s currently now Gaza, Israel, what’s now called the West Bank, & what’s now called Jordan. This was in the mandate for “Mandatory Palestine” & I know the term could be confusing in today’s terminology with the term Palestinians being adopted by a portion of those in the Middle East since the British vacated the area & idea, and dumped it in the lap of the newly formed (at the time) UN.
Anywho, shortly after this, before finalizing sorting out borders and boundaries, etc…2/3rds of that same chunk of land was given away to somebody else leaving a much smaller portion to be divided up now. Trans-Jordan was carved out of that previous chunk of land…Whoopsies!!!
Please ignore the title of the below video animated explanation, as the same video is out on YouTube with several different titles, and this just happens to be the one I can find this morning. Sums things up until a little over a decade to go. Interesting and informative, while simplistic & entertaining:
So yes, Jordan (once Trans-Jordan) did annex the West Bank (& thus the name West Bank) and did end up in a war with the PLO (google “Black September”), and yes Egypt did take over Gaza (in two phases) from 1948-1967 and occupied it, but where’s the outrage against them today? Weird, eh?
Yes, Gaza borders TWO countries, & BOTH have Barricades between themselves and Gaza, for their own similar reasons, and where’s the current outrage against Egypt over this today? Also pretty queer, right?
What is the difference between both Egypt and Jordan…& Israel in today’s outrage? Does UNRWA teach the “Palestinians” that Egypt and Jordan do not have a right to exist? Are Egypt and Jordan not JKK Zionist enough for condemnation? Is it possibly something else?
The video by Sol skipped all the Zionist terrorism.
Cherrypicked history.
The Irgun (Hebrew: ארגון; full title: Hebrew: הארגון הצבאי הלאומי בארץ ישראל HaIrgun HaTzvaʾi Ha-Leumi b-Eretz Israel, lit. "The National Military Organization in the Land of Israel"), or Etzel (Hebrew: אצ״ל) (sometimes abbreviated IZL), was a Zionist paramilitary organization that operated in Mandatory Palestine between 1931 and 1948. It was an offshoot of the older and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: Hebrew: הגנה, Defence).[1] The Irgun has been viewed as a terrorist organization or organization which carried out terrorist acts.[2][3][4][5]
It is a tourism video. “Zionism terrorism & the Jew Klutz Klan, etc…” aren’t very marketable with respect to that endpoint and viewpoint, and trying to get people to visit Gaza to generate tourist revenue. Anyway, I think we’re derailing things away from the liberals tanking, and the NDP being part of that collateral damage.
Cherry picking propaganda, I guess people do visit as tourists Alcatraz in San Francisco…but Alcatraz probably isn’t the recent people visit San Francisco.
Sorry, I just realized you’re talking about the other video. Yeah it’s 11 minutes long on a complicated topic, trying to boil it down to the simplistic and easy to understand. To be completely comprehensive, it should be 77 years long and not miss anything, but here we are.
You didn’t post your link. Here you go:
Irgun - Wikipedia
Here’s the outcome today so far at this point of these nationalistic endeavours.
The Irgun, like Palestinians today, wanted everything, and this is going to sound familiar….”from the river to the sea” but even though Israel won every war against it, the Irgun are a tangent and didn’t get their way because….?
Altalena Affair - Wikipedia
This is opposed to Gaza with Iranian sponsored Hamas or Islamic Jihad, or Lebanon and Syria with Iranian sponsored Hezbollah, and so on and so forth…with their states being…compromised.
If anything, bringing up the Irgun, it’s a good lesson for all of Israel’s neighbours with respect to flushing their own toilets, in the cherry picking of narratives.
If Trudeau is not getting the message, it is because he is not listening. Voters are telling him plainly that it is time for him to go.
Justin Trudeau is leading the Liberals toward generational collapse. Here's why he still hasn't walked away — Toronto Star
Trudeau's extraordinary confidence allowed him to rebuild the Liberals. Now that same confidence may destroy the party he controls.
But voters are saying they don’t want Trudeau to do that work. They are tired of him. Many in his own party are too. Over the summer, Trudeau called his MPs to ask about the dire situation the party is facing. After they got over the surprise — Trudeau normally ignores them — many told him he should go.
“He said the same thing to them all,” a Liberal told me. “Thanks very much, but I disagree.”
Created because of the holocaust? That malarky again? The Hollywood version doesn't match history.
Yes, it’s taboo to refer to those damn dirty Jews and that terrorist group Irgun from the ‘40’s that Israel squashed, and anything else relevant to the topic and timeframe involved at the same time…even indirectly. Got it. Anyway, Canadian by-elections and such. Some weather we’ve been having. How ‘bout those Bluejays?
Only days after the NDP ripped up their de facto coalition agreement with the Trudeau government, the Bloc Québécois stepped forward to say that they would be happy to keep the Liberals in power … for the right price.
I am not deaf to Canada’s concerns about the current government. Truth be told, I am frequently wracked with pity at the plight of English Canada. Whole landscapes of sexually repressed accountants named Mike. The endless handwringing about land acknowledgments or the gender neutrality of the national anthem. It’s all very sad.
The Achilles heel of this whole plan was always going to be the NDP; we could only push so far until the Liberals grew weary of our demands and returned to their prior strategy of appeasing Jagmeet Singh. But if we have erred in our approach, it was only in underestimating how easy that is.
'Restore the Nordiques. Demolish McGill': Blanchet’s imagined demands for the Trudeau government — National Post
'Imagine the rich kid son of the arch nemesis of your entire movement asking you what it would take for you to give him just a few more months at the helm'
Where are you getting your information from? Tick Tock? Seriously?
Why are we talking about Palestine and Israel in a thread about the Liberal strongholds that Trudeau lost?
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
On Monday night in Vancouver, organizers of the celebrations commemorating the massacre of over 1,200 Israeli men, women and children shouted “We are Hamas” and “We are Hezbollah!” over loudspeakers.
Activists like Charlotte Kates of Samidoun, an NGO whose leaders openly support both Hamas and Hezbollah, were completely open about their specific celebration of the terror attack by organizing their demonstration for Oct. 7, rather than the anniversary of the Israeli campaign’s launch on Oct. 28.
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Two things are not exactly a secret in the Liberal government.
For one, they have a hard time publicly identifying and outlawing terrorist or terrorist-supporting organizations. They only listed Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as such in June, five years after the United States. They have yet to sanction, let alone outlaw, the terror-supporting group Samidoun.
It was Samidoun that helped organize this week’s demonstration in Vancouver where chants of “Death to Canada, death to the United States, death to Israel” were heard, and where protesters tried, but failed, to light a Canadian flag on fire.
As for the second point, the Liberal Party’s post-Trudeau era is being openly discussed, and Joly is a prime candidate among his likely successors. Who else would still be energetically drawn to the Liberal banner in a future leadership race? Grassroots Liberals? There are fewer of them every month.
The most motivated voices might just be the hordes of university students, activists and foreign agents who have filled the streets chanting for death and revolution.
The Liberal Party reformed its internal voting rules during the 2013 leadership race so that anyone aged 14 and over with a Canadian address and a pulse could participate in nomination races and leadership elections. It’s a great policy when energetic young voters eager for change are seeking a new standard-bearer. This is what helped vault Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to the party’s leadership in 2013, before going on to win the election in 2015.
Unfortunately, a large chunk of those 2015 Liberal voters are going to be voting for Poilievre and the Conservatives next year. Even worse for the Liberals, a large plurality of the youngest cohort of voters will be voting the same way.
If it goes as it is projected, the Liberals will be burned to a husk after the next election.
It is best to put nothing past Trudeau, but it is unlikely he will try and stay on as Liberal leader should he lose in catastrophic fashion. Expect the door to be left open to every ambitious cabinet minister and outsider who wants to try and take the reins.
Joly will probably be among them, which is why even she is aware that offending the Hamas and Hezbollah crowd is an unwise choice.
Certainly, not every pro-Palestianian person in Canada supports terrorism, and this is an important point that must be made. There are plenty of normal, honest people who believe in the creation of a Palestinian state without sliding into support for terrorism, both in Canada and in Israel.
Unfortunately, they are not as energetic and determined as their more bloodthirsty counterparts.
Condemning Hamas and Hezbollah, or anything that comes off as too pro-Israel, will alienate a vast swathe of the progressive movement. If you are on the left in 2024, you have to break bread with people who effectively support terrorism, laundered as part of a liberation movement. Especially if you have ambitions beyond being a card-carrying party member. Much of the NDP understands this well, and the Liberals are close behind.
For over a decade, the Liberals have made their bed for diaspora politics, and they’ve been sleeping with its practitioners since 2015.
Getting away from it risks the wrath of a jilted lover.
Activists like Charlotte Kates of Samidoun, an NGO whose leaders openly support both Hamas and Hezbollah, were completely open about their specific celebration of the terror attack by organizing their demonstration for Oct. 7, rather than the anniversary of the Israeli campaign’s launch on Oct. 28.
Geoff Russ: How Hamas supporters could help pick the next Liberal leader — National Post
The party is neck-deep in diaspora politics, and it will only get worse in the post-Trudeau era
For one, they have a hard time publicly identifying and outlawing terrorist or terrorist-supporting organizations. They only listed Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as such in June, five years after the United States. They have yet to sanction, let alone outlaw, the terror-supporting group Samidoun.
It was Samidoun that helped organize this week’s demonstration in Vancouver where chants of “Death to Canada, death to the United States, death to Israel” were heard, and where protesters tried, but failed, to light a Canadian flag on fire.
As for the second point, the Liberal Party’s post-Trudeau era is being openly discussed, and Joly is a prime candidate among his likely successors. Who else would still be energetically drawn to the Liberal banner in a future leadership race? Grassroots Liberals? There are fewer of them every month.
The most motivated voices might just be the hordes of university students, activists and foreign agents who have filled the streets chanting for death and revolution.
The Liberal Party reformed its internal voting rules during the 2013 leadership race so that anyone aged 14 and over with a Canadian address and a pulse could participate in nomination races and leadership elections. It’s a great policy when energetic young voters eager for change are seeking a new standard-bearer. This is what helped vault Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to the party’s leadership in 2013, before going on to win the election in 2015.
Unfortunately, a large chunk of those 2015 Liberal voters are going to be voting for Poilievre and the Conservatives next year. Even worse for the Liberals, a large plurality of the youngest cohort of voters will be voting the same way.
If it goes as it is projected, the Liberals will be burned to a husk after the next election.
It is best to put nothing past Trudeau, but it is unlikely he will try and stay on as Liberal leader should he lose in catastrophic fashion. Expect the door to be left open to every ambitious cabinet minister and outsider who wants to try and take the reins.
Joly will probably be among them, which is why even she is aware that offending the Hamas and Hezbollah crowd is an unwise choice.
Certainly, not every pro-Palestianian person in Canada supports terrorism, and this is an important point that must be made. There are plenty of normal, honest people who believe in the creation of a Palestinian state without sliding into support for terrorism, both in Canada and in Israel.
Unfortunately, they are not as energetic and determined as their more bloodthirsty counterparts.
Condemning Hamas and Hezbollah, or anything that comes off as too pro-Israel, will alienate a vast swathe of the progressive movement. If you are on the left in 2024, you have to break bread with people who effectively support terrorism, laundered as part of a liberation movement. Especially if you have ambitions beyond being a card-carrying party member. Much of the NDP understands this well, and the Liberals are close behind.
For over a decade, the Liberals have made their bed for diaspora politics, and they’ve been sleeping with its practitioners since 2015.
Getting away from it risks the wrath of a jilted lover.